Re: firewater? [OFF-TOPIC]

Robert L Bass wrote:
Unless Roy has come up with some new, magical
laws of physics and chemistry, the same thing will
be true of his RF electrolysis process.

Kanzius' technique does not involve electrolysis. Whether it is efficient enough to be useful remains to be seen.

Where can I find papers on this "technique"?

Have you tried Google? There are a number news of articles on the subject.

As for "efficiency", even if this technique were
100% efficient at liberating hydrogen, the energy
liberated by oxidizing that hydrogen would, at
best, equal the energy used to break out the
hydrogen in the first place. (And thermodynamics
laws say that neither process can possibly be
100% efficient.)

Straw man argument? As far as I know, no one has said anything about 100% efficiency.

Again, I don't understand where the energy to
turn turbines is supposed to come from.

Burning hydrogen.

You can't "burn" water. You can use energy to
break it into its components and then release
some of that energy by allowing those components
to recombine.

Exactly. The idea is to use RF energy to release the hydrogen, then burn it. The expression, "burn water" was journalism.

Unless there's an atomic reaction involved, or
some chemical reaction other than 2H2+O2 =>
2H2O, there's no fuel source here.

Yep.

researchers have been prudent about claims of
the system's usefulness in its present form.

FWIW, Kanzius' cancer research is apparently
regarded highly enough that there are major studies
being conducted at some of the top cancer research
facilities in the country, including MD Anderson
where pancreatic cancer cells were killed in a
laboratory test. The data is far from conclusive but
the results of the MD Anderson studies have been so
encouraging that multiple studies are now underway
elsewhere. For people like myself who are fighting
cancer, this is promising research. Though it's not a
proven treatment it's definitely not a hoax. If in the
process of developing a new treatment for some types
of tumors Kanzius has accidentally found a cure for
the nation's energy crisis, [Sorry, I have to say it]
more power to him. :^)

If this technique can be applied to fighting cancer,
that's great. But it has nothing to do with being an
energy _source_.

Are we arguing semantics or have you not read about this? I'm not trying to be rude but it sounds as though you've not read what's been published.

Can you point at any papers describing the physics
or chemistry of the process you're talking about?

No. Kanzius has not yet released detailed information about the energy related aspects of his invention. It looks as though his primary goal remains using the technology for cancer treatment. Since he really is fighting for his life, that's understandable. The ability to release hydrogen gas from salt water was apparently discovered by accident. If this turns out to be efficient enough to be commercially viable and he lives to reap the rewards, he's going to be one very rich man.

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