Re: Doctorate degree vs CCIE

On Feb 3, 9:32 pm, fugettaboutit <n...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Are you serious about the MBA? It seems that just a few months ago, if
one had an MBA, technical chops, and decent management experience, they
could write their own ticket. Is this a trend that the trade rags played up?

Town Dummy wrote:
Investigate what it would take to get a CPA to go along with your degree so
you can show that you understand the business side of what needs to be done.
An MBA is a worthless degree anymore.

After you finish with the accounting piece then look into what it will take
to become a CCIE in VoIP, Security and and R&S.

At least that is what I did and it works pretty well for me.

"Trendkill" <jpma...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
On Feb 2, 8:35 am, fugettaboutit <n...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
danbudan wrote:
Hi Group,
I am looking to get a Doctorate degree in telecommunication. A friend
of mine advised me to put my effort on getting a CCIE certification
and ignore the PhD. Is the CCIE certification more valuable than a
PhD degree? Would you please give me an advise.
I may be off here, but I'd say the difference is in *what* you desire to
do with your career in terms of the type of duties and companies you'd
work for...

With a CCIE, you're part of a high-caliber group of operational/design
folks who typically work for larger organizations or IT channel
partners. As a PhD, I'd think you'd be more likely involved in R&D or
hard-core architecture and design, and less tactical or operational

So I guess I'd answer your question with another - what do you want to
do today? :-)
Tough call. If this were a PhD in Management, or Business, or
something Financial, I would say no. Those degrees, along with 10-20
years of experience can easily net you a top management or leadership
role, that can be well more worth it in terms of bonus, stock, and
other perks for executives. Being that this is a PhD in Telecom,
those options are not gone, but are less likely. For annual salary, I
would say that a CCIE is more valuable than a PhD. However, PhD most
likely buys you things that the CCIE won't. First, it buys you
entrance into always being able to enter graduate level faculty at any
mid-level college/university. Second, it also buys you a lot of
prestige that can open doors into advanced engineering and design jobs
directly for technical firms, say Cisco, Juniper, HP, etc. As for a
CCIE, they are definitely paid well, but they are more network
engineering and design focused, on an actual network. Yes you can
find many of them as sales engineers or consultants, etc, but they are
still very operational positions. All in all I would have to say that
they both are about the same, but are two slightly different paths of
a career. In my opinion, its more of a choice of what you want after
either of them (or both is always an option). Just my 2 cents.

Not that my opinion counts, but I will agree to disagree in regards to
the value of a MBA. I have a MBA, and am currently finishing up a
second Master's in Financial Management. I have over a decade of
employment in the Global Fortune 50, with experience in one of the
largest retail companies in the world, as well as one of the largest
banks. and I see absolutely zero evidence to conclude that a MBA is
not worth it. Perhaps in a smaller company where dual function
managers are more relied upon, I could easily see that pairing up a
CCIE with direct financial/accounting experience could be lucrative.
However, I don't see a ton of career growth beyond low/mid level IT
management with that direction, unless its within that same company.
We also must remember that the majority (not saying all by any means)
of CCIEs are network engineers and architects (or consultants in this
realm), and the next largest count is probably in Network Management
or Sales Engineers type positions (and or consultants). I don't know
too many CCIEs that are rigorously pursuing CIO type positions, as the
cream of the crop technically generally do not desire and probably
would would have trouble with very senior level leadership positions,
particularly in very large companies.

In short forgetaboutit, I agree with your statement of 'depends on
what'. If someone is considering a CCIE vs. a PhD in Telecom, those
are similar paths, and it tends to make me thing the person asking is
very detailing and enjoys technology. A CCIE will virtually guarantee
a network design or engineering job with very decent pay, while a PhD
also opens up some doors in teaching or technology design (can be very
different than practical operational design & engineering). It all
depends what interests the person, and if they like the 'what', or
they like the 'how'.

In closing, a MBA is the best focused graduate degree for anyone
seeking the laurels of upper management. I'm not saying that I agree
with the coursework, 100% believe its practical, or blindly think it
is the best preparation, but for 2-3 post-graduate years, its the best
bang for the buck if business strategy/leadership is your desired
role. Being that this is a Cisco and Networking forum, I am not
surprised or offended that it is discounted, but I will just disagree
and leave it at that.