Re: Existing forms to PDF or Excel

Goo'day, Tony,

It seems as if you've taken some sort of exception to this:

Second, some people, myself included, abhor a lot of the "third party"
stuff that abounds in the MV world. Mostly, it's designed to
somebody's specification for a specific task and is, at best, at a
divergence to "my" standard practices... Very little has been
designed as a "public product" first...."


On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:12:39 -0700, Tony Gravagno
<g6q3x9lu53001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Chandru Murthi" wrote:
A reasoned reply to the bait.

I don't know how well reasoned a response can be when it's completely
uninformed.

"completely uninformed"??? I have an opinion. It's a valid opinion.
It is not uninformed. It is reasoned. It comes about from many years
involvement as a software developer in the MV industry. I have looked
at a lot of so-called tools put onto the MV market by other developers
and I have found that in many cases the value to me of these tools
does not match the cost of acquiring them. I know of other
developers that have the same opinion.

The opinion I have for specific cases may well vary from case to case,
but basically, shoddiness comes to mind often, as well as the fact
that if this tool is incorporated within my sphere of operations, it's
going to require an indordinate change to the way I want my sphere to
operate. And I am the poor bunny that pays the bills around here.

How can this be "completely uninformed"?

As far as I know, there is still no compulsion for me to adopt
anything, software tools included, that's put in front of me. Nor do
I have to accept whatever you might propound as being "right" as the
only avenue for me to consider.

I think I still have the right to accept or reject. Usefulness is in
the eye of the beholder, and no amount of cajoling or anything, mean
spirited criticism of me included, is going to get me to change my
mind. Just have a look at ugly babies. Their mothers might be
blinded by their own creation, but to the rest of us......

That applies to the products od some software developers and vendors,
as well.....

And, perhaps among all of your lamentations about people not wanting
to spend their hard-earned on some of your efforts, rejection of your
proposed standards, et al, have you ever considered that perchance,
*your* solution might not be *their* solution?

Have a look at this demo for NebulAnalysis (also no
longer offered)

Errr... Dummy spit? Or doesn't do the job?

(Oooer! Nichol! You specious b....!)

and note how the API (just like that for NebulaDoc)
allowed very comprehensive control over Excel from BASIC for whatever
purpose someone might have in mind.
http:// removethisNebula-RnD.com/demos/nebulanalysis/

A general statement that third-party tools do things in specific ways
isn't reasoned at all. Third party tools are targeted at a wide
audience.

I usually have no argument about "proper tools", ie, tools that are
conceived for public acceptance from the "off", but here are many
things offered for which "public accpetance" was far from the reason
to be....

They're not application specific.

Actually, most of themn started life this way...

They're written by
people who quite specifically want to create a general purpose
solution to a wide variety of problems.

In a lot of cases, I don't think so.... In many cases it's "Look at
what I've done. Isn't it great? I'll sell it"....

Anything less limits the
audience. And of course a third party tool isn't going to do things
the way any one individual happens to think - what are we, mind
readers? Everyone does things differently. Tools that are offered in
the market give us a way to standardize those things. If everyone
insists that common market tools (free, open source, or otherwise)
should do things "their way" then there is no possibility for
standards. And development by concensus doesn't work either,
precisely because so many people do insist on having it "their way".

Really tired of this bandwagon mentality we see here these days.

"Bandwagon mentality"??? Does this equate to a mealy-mouthed put-down
to a couple of people being in agreement, but not in agreement with
something that emanates from you?

I can't really put any other face on it....

Regards,

Bruce Nichol
Talon Computer Services
ALBURY NSW Australia

http://www.taloncs.com.au

If it ain't broke, fix it until it is....
.

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