Re: OO BASIC or "B++"?

Tony, I understand what you are saying but Chandru's words ring very true
and in my opinion have nothing to do with why this market is the way it is.

You are very atypical of the general MV market, which may not necessarily be
adequately represented by this forum (indeed Spectrum boasts 10,000 active
subscribers). Your embrace of everything new is in your blood and is very
rewarding for you. I also see that as a huge appeal in your consulting
services (besides your magnetic personality).

While I, and I suspect Chandru, try to understand all of the new
technologies I don't embrace them in the same way as you. Our market has
thrived because it has provided extraordinary business solutions. These
solutions are so extraordinary and cost effective that there are incredibly
difficult to replace in a way that is cost-justified and successful.

What's wrong with our market has much more to do with (as mentioned in other
threads) vendors such as IBM doing little to make MV a generally recognized
asset.

While I do see incremental value added to every evolution of technology this
seems like a very small benefit relative to the time and investment required
to validate and embrace them. Rather, I see a quantum leap such as provided
by DesignBais, and can justify the expense and effort to embrace it
wholeheartedly.

This is all very much a bottom-line-centric philosphy for many of us, which
has allowed me to make the appropriate investments.

Jeff



"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"SteveB" wrote:


Tony Gravagno wrote:
Even I'm beyond words. The fact that you believe what you're saying
is a testimony to why this market is the way it is.

Hiya. Who/what were you replying to?

Chandru wrote the following snippets. Way too much to comment on.
Don't get me wrong, I like and respect Chandru, but it's this very
mindset that has caused the Pick model to fade into obscurity among
the people toward whom he thumbs his nose.
T
================================
No wonder I don't like, don't fully understand and don't need OO!
In the time it would take me to decipher the above paragraph, I
could have created a new application...
One wonders--perhaps simplicity IS a virtue? Perhaps all this
gobblygook about OO, is the conventional wisdom that has to be paid
obeisance to? Perhaps the Emperor's clothes lie therein?

They used to say "don't argue with success". Pick, by any standards was a
howling success when un-computer-science-schooled programmers did not
know
any better than to develop applications. It's current state of decline
is,
as most of us would concur, just a marketing phenomenon, and is
exacerbated
by our community's general inability to refute these overblown claims of
weakness. We just don't speak the language.

If you read the academic journals on many disciplines, you will note that
they get steadily narrower, more jargon-filled, and more concerned with
esoterica. Geography comes to mind. You thought Geography was concerned
with
physical boundaries and features? No more. I feel the same way whenever I
read anything touted as the latest computer science technology. Acronyms
out
the gazoo, jargon that obscures the issues, claims of superiority that
cannot be verified in the real world, dismissal of anything that does not
conform to the received wisdom, etc..

I can see why I'm not super rich. Obviously I
should've been using all these nifty tools so that I could take 10 times
longer and charge my clients accordingly. Now there's a business model
worth
an advanced degree!
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