Re: How do we get there from here?
- From: "Glen B" <no$pamwebmaster@no$pamforallspec.com>
- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:58:00 -0500
"dawn" <dawnwolthuis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Glen wrote:
>> On 23 Oct 2005 20:29:39 -0700, michael@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>> I still have no idea what anyone is attempting to do here. There's
>> plenty of discussion on what does what and who has an opinion on what.
>> Give me an example application design and I'll join the party.
>>
>> Glen
>
> I'm not sure what you are looking for, but there are a ton of ajax
> applications out there and they seem decidedly different from an
> end-user experience standpoint than the non-ajax apps. You can look at
> google maps, google groups, google mail, etc for starters.
>
They all look like CSS with DHTML. If you want to change inner content of
a page, then you have to use the most recent innerHTML DOM method/properties
with divs or spans. I've already played around with that in the raw sense. I
gave up on it, due to inconsistencies between the W3 standards and
Microsoft's interpretation of them. We've been implementing CSS here and
even generic div styling of tables has proven to be problematic/inconsistent
between IE and the other flavors. Is it doable? Yes. It's quite simple
really and I'd be happy to demonstrate some CSS/DHTML "frames" based on FC
calls. Don't expect the same code to work for IE as it does for FF or
Netscape 6 or 7, though.
> I use weboggle.shackworks.com as an example that illustrates what is
> possible with the server doing its thing and the client doing whatever
> a client can do with out accessing any persisted data.
If you really want to store a database in JS memory, then you can depart
the server until a refresh of data is needed or a transaction needs to be
recorded. I'm not even going to think about going there. You remove
centralized control from MV to mounds of JS. Is this the way of the future?
Some think so, mostly because they haven't used a monolithic environment
like MV. The one-sided world of SQL is a good match for hit-and run data in
situations like JS based data apps. I think that as long as Microsoft fights
for control, they will do all that they can to force the industry to use
their browser; even if that means incorrectly implementing the W3 HTML DOM
and forcing it down everyones throat. AJAX is years away from being a viable
cross-browser DHTML library. If you want it done right, you need to write
just what you need, to minimize the amount of code that the browser needs to
load. Just look at our Milonic menu. A lot of customers complain about how
slow our page loads. That's because of the size of the JS menu code required
to make it "cross-browser compatible". It still displays improperly in some
browser versions. Those who are running with low amounts of memory
(100-800Mhz with 32-64MB of RAM) have to not only wait for the JS to load,
but for the browser to style the CSS as well. Plain HTML is a bit different,
since the parsing and rendering engines have had many years to mature and
become efficient. CSS also requires that the browser load the _entire_ page,
and any included content, before any display rendering can be done. This
typically leads to load lag. On sluggish dial-up connections, that can mean
waiting 15-20 seconds for the page to display! If you want to write an
application for corporate deployment, then by all means use whatever you can
get your hands on to make life easier. You can afford/justfiy-the-costs to
upgrade all the PCs to meet a certain guideline. On the flip-side, new
technology isn't always efficient when it first comes out. The public is
very impatient and intolerant, especially when consumers are browsing the
web.
>
> Does that come close to what you are asking for? --dawn
Glen
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