Re: Reports Background engine failures

DA Morgan wrote:

Preston wrote:
sybrandb@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:25:50 GMT, "Jerry Alan Braga"
<jerry.braga@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

but In oracle's infinate wisdom they removed client/server
support for forms (BIG MISTAKE) after 6i.
We are a terminal server shop not Oracle application server with
that terrible jinitiator stuff and others.
That was not a mistake. The world moves on. Mickeysoft doesn't
support client/server anymore, doesn't it?
Please realise how terrible old Forms 6i is, and please realise
Oracle has many other development tools. Why stay in the dark
and stick to client/server?

Because things in the 'real world' often don't match your view of
how things should work. E.g. we sell a suite of applications which
include a couple of hundred 6i reports. Upgrading to Reports 10g
would mean we'd have to charge our clients more to cover the
increased licensing costs of the reports elements of application
server, with no obvious benefit to themselves.

It would also mean your clients would be using supported technology.
Is that a benefit?

No. I know it would be a 'perceived' benefit with some CDOS posters who
rate the use of unsupported versions at a similar level to child
murder, but the reality is we've never hit an Oracle bug with 6i in the
several years we've been using it. In the highly unlikely event we do
in the future, we'll worry about it then.

It would mean they could meet their legal requirements with respect
to auditing and compliance. Is that a benefit?

As long as our system & reports meet FSA guidelines, which they do,
there is no legal issue.

Given that Oracle has made clear, for years, its intention what you
are really saying is that your firm chose to ignore Oracle and the
needs of its customers

There ya go, making accusations without knowing anything about our firm
or our customers. It's due to *not* ignoring the needs of our customers
that we haven't delayed other enhancements purely to upgrade something
that doesn't need upgrading, & which would make our software more
expensive for those same customers had we upgraded.

Had we hit regular bugs with 6i (or indeed any bugs), we would
obviously had prioritised things differently.

making so appropriate this quote from
Shakespeare:

"For 'tis the sport to have the enginer / Hoist with his owne
petar"

You being the engineer in this case. <g>

If you don't do it now when do you plan to do it? With version 11? 12?
20? You should have been making this investment on an on-going basis.

We don't plan to do it with any specific version. When we have a window
in the development cycle to look at alternatives, we'll do so - but
that won't be this year for certain. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
- as Shakespeare probably would've said had he thought of it.

--
Preston.
.

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