Re: continuation...

Not to mention mission-critical systems that require near 100%
uptime.
No one is more sensitive to that than Amazon.com.

Want to guess what they're running on their production systems?

How about the line of business applications at every mobile phone
company in the region: AT&T, T-Mobile, AllTel, Verizon, ClearWire?

How about the line of business applications at banks like Washington
Mutual; one of the largest in the US?

And what percentage of 10g are these companies running? I hope you
have
done a survey internally. I have worked for some large companies. Even
the DBAs don't know where all the databases are.

Why is it some people here are getting their knickers in a twist and
yet these large organizations, with serious 7x24x365 requirements,
are
not dropping like flies?

And no it is not that they are lucky. They aren't buying it, and they
are not upgrading to 10gR2 because they are being bullied by some guy
with a $200 haircut. Nor would their CTO's risk their careers if the
systems were failing.

If there are business needs, nothing can really stop a company from
upgrading. Technologies are there to support businesses. Some may
think
the other way around. Not just CTOs, many people would be risking
theirs
jobs, if they don't carefully consider the business impacts.

I often, due to what I do, find myself talking with IT management at a
sufficiently high level to know what they are doing. The driving need
is compliance and CTOs and CFOs are very aware of what can put them
into
legal jeopardy.

What are they saying? They upgrade because they are afraid of legal
issues?

From my experience, high level IT managers have the least idea what
versions
of Oracle they are running.

From my experience, they may have no idea of the details, but
generally want to know anything that is relevant to running the
business. The better ones have the details to hand when they need
them.


Details like the legal issues and finance? Maybe. Details like what versions
of Oracle? Maybe not.


We do not upgrade just to be on the lastest. There has to be
sufficient
business reasons.

There is: Sarbanes-Oxley, PIPEDA, BASEL-II. That is what is driving it
here. I can't imagine which part of violating laws with serious
consequences you wouldn't consider "sufficient business reason."

Let me give you just one small example. Sitting on my desk is an
article
from eWeek titled "Intel in hot water over lost e-mails." Try this link
to see the implications.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=17&artnum=2...

Read the following paragraph from the link very carefully:

"One example is a suit against Morgan Stanley (MS) by billionaire
Ronald
Perelman in 2003 in Florida, claiming the bank defrauded him during a
stock swap. The case turned in part on Morgan Stanley's inability to
find
e-mails that Perelman's attorney had requested.

In May 2005, a jury handed down a $1.45 billion verdict against Morgan
Stanley."

1,450,000,000 sufficient business reason!

If you don't keep your IT management in the dark about the dark-ages
practices of your current software's capabilities you may find them
very interested in moving to 10g, 11g, audit vault, and other
contemporary technologies. Likely the only reason they aren't leading
the charge is that no one has sat down with them and given them a
realistic appraisal of risk vs reward.
--

If you give them this as the reason to upgrade, they may award you as the
funniest employee of the year. If the reason is that compelling, Oracle
salespeople would have been using it everywhere

Oracle salespeople shouldn't be given enough information for a
realistic appraisal. They're salespeople. Dan's right.


This is not a realistic appraisal. This is sales like insurance
advertisements.


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