Re: Oracle licence question

are often built totally wrong. They are built to ignore the features in
the database. As a result, the application often duplicates what comes at

What you mean - they use portable SQL as definied by the ANSI SQL standard,
something Oracle doesn't do very well! Come on guys, catch up!! Talk about
MS locking people in - LOL!

Personally, I hate portability and would rather take advantage of vendor
extensions only to get the most out of the client's investment in the
technology, but for 3rd part apps build cross platform....

The cost of a perpetual license with unlimited free upgrades, unlimited
free patches, and unlimited support calls (no matter how stoopid) also
needs to be evaluated against a cheep initial license with every upgrade
and every support call costing an arm and a leg. Again, rarely evaluated
unless management has a clue.

Absolutely, with SQL Server service packs are free and available for
download directly off the MS site without a support contract.

Support calls are refunded if its a bug, but even if its not a bug the
incidents are cheap. There is a licence model for SQL Server that allows
continued upgrade.

One thing you need to watch is staffing, costs for Oracle staff here in the
UK are a lot higher than SQL Server ones, also, you tend to need more; also,
the SQL Server professional has a more rounded experience to the business,
often trained in Business Intelligence.

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Tony Rogerson
SQL Server MVP
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"HansF" <News.Hans@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.02.25.21.03.39.206497@xxxxxxxxxxxx
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:23:34 +0000, joebayer wrote:

Group,

Oracle is so expensive, often time, managers chose SQL server over Oracle
only because of the expense, and it is sad to see all those new projects
go
to SQL server group. (Our shop do not do any in house software
development,
only vendor application, and all vendor applications support both Oracle
and
SQL)


Oracle is only expensive when an organization does not know what it is
buying.

IN general, Oracle Standard Edition will compete price- and feature- wise
with SQL Server Enterprise Edition. There are exceptions, but often
management (and the technical 'experts' who advise them - usually
Microsoft bigots) do their 'fair evaluation' on the name of the product
rather than the capabilities.

Custom apps that use Oracle built to maintain 'vendor independence'
are often built totally wrong. They are built to ignore the features in
the database. As a result, the application often duplicates what comes at
no added cost in the database - and that duplication has cost, and will
continue to cost, in development and maintenance. SO you pay for the
feature in Oracle, and then pay for someone to develop the feature.

Aside from that, many managers have absolutely no clue that an application
exit strategy is required, and that the exit strategy costs need to be
included in the application cost.

The cost of a perpetual license with unlimited free upgrades, unlimited
free patches, and unlimited support calls (no matter how stoopid) also
needs to be evaluated against a cheep initial license with every upgrade
and every support call costing an arm and a leg. Again, rarely evaluated
unless management has a clue.

I have one question here:

Is it possible for us only to buy Oracle licence without paying for the
annual support? All I need is accessing metalink website, and my other
projects have already provided such access.


Yes it is possible to purchase without support. However, if you download
patches using one metalink access and apply those patches to systems
without support, you are probably in violation of several agreements.

Thanks for your comments or suggestions as how to make Oracle competitive
in
terms of price, what kind of option do I have here?

Some options include using term licenses. After all, if management is not
willing to do some serious cost analysis, chances are great that the
application will be tossed in 2-3 years. So why license for lonmger than
that period.


--
Hans Forbrich
Canada-wide Oracle training and consulting
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