RE: Smarter Questions for IBM
- From: Martin Fuerderer <MARTINFU@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 00:57:46 +0200
My response is official as the whole thing (including or
especially responses) are moderated. After I entered
my answer I got a notice to this effect and only after
the moderator had approved my response showed up.
Nevertheless, as far as I can judge (I didn't keep a
copy of my original response) my original response
was published unchanged, as the moderator also
ensured me, that my response "is good on its own"
(even though it did not contain a comparison against
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informix-list-bounces@xxxxxxxx wrote on 06/02/2011 04:59:42 PM:
SWG products against Oracle's offerings.
Just a clarification...
Was Martin's response an *official* IBM response?
From the site, it looks like he was doing this on his own...
And to the main point.
This site is primarily dedicated to attacking Oracle and comparing IBM's
So yes, there's nothing about Informix.up too! :-)
Now why is that?
Could it be that Informix isn't positioned against Oracle?
I'll let that sink in....
(Wait a few minutes for the kids who ride the short bus catch up..) :-)
Yes, they are really that slow and they're waiting for Stuart to catch
...you rotate the circle one way, you had Informix.
Ok, now that we have everyone's attention...
Remember the 'go to market' slide that was presented by Jerry Keese? If
You rotate it the other way... you have DB2. While Informix could bepositioned against Oracle, the default is to present DB2 against Oracle.
practice, it allowed the IBM sales force to focus on selling DB2.
The reality is that the slide placated the Informix crowd while in
(And again for the slow people... The Informix product management teamnever quite understood what it would take to sell the S&D folks on
has been sucking on the IBM teat for so long all the while selling
While Neil suggests that Eric talk to Stuart is kind of humorous. Stuart
Informix customers 4Js products...
the fortunate 50 customers who are large enough that the IBM S&D team
Again the point is that IBM isn't going to listen unless you are one of
covering you as an account all have brown necks.
Unfortunately those same sales folks now suffer from Hypoxia so theystill don't get it and the message is either distorted or lost.
care about you. They don't make money, or much money from the Informix
And since we have the slow folks still here... in short: IBM doesn't
crowd outside of a few customers who also happen to spend a lot of money
on other IBM products and services.
Shout all you want... it doesn't matter. Even if Jerry Keese and crewlistened and tried their best, they still will fail because they don't get
out of the lab much. And sorry Jerry, dog and pony shows where your tech
guys are trotted out to meet and
greet existing customers doesn't cut it.never understand. BTW, how did those "All Hands Calls" work for you?
Unless you own paper, or work with S&D on a regular basis... you will
goals of IM with the S&D division on a daily basis. I held paper. I made
But what do I know?
Oh wait! That was my job. I was in the lab where I tried to align the
So I guess I really do know what I'm talking about. Which is why I cansay that even 6 years since my escape from the borg, IBM IM Informix types
still don't get it.
offer IBM a *FREE*, albeit cryptic clue... "When you have a Leatherman or
And since I don't want to be seen as being negative... let me yet again
a Swiss Army Knife, learn how to sell a Leatherman or a Swiss Army knife.
You don't sell it as cutlery or flatware."
hop away from KC.
PS. A special note to Jerry Keesee:
Jerry, you really do need to get out more. Chicago is still just a short
Subject: Re: Smarter Questions for IBM
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 05:39:23 -0700
On 2 Jun., 12:11, "Neil Truby" <neil.tr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Eric Herber" <eherber1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
After some people asked some real smart questions, IBM installed a
questions,slogan now in
the area where you could provide questions:
"And while we would love to answer all of your IBM-related
to aSmarter Questions
only considers the competitive aspects of IBM technology versus
Good to know that Informix doesn't compete with Oracle from IBM's
point of view.
Are you sure that the appearance of this extra paragraph is related
Informixdetermination not to answer questions about Informix? Have any
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list_______________________________________________answers appeared yet?
you are right, it is probably not related.
One Informix question about compression has been answered by Martin
after he observed the existence of smarterquestions.org due to my
The point is that this is an official IBM website and once again IBM
that Informix is still treated as "Cinderella". Several DB2 "smarter"
asked and answered by IBM itself and not a single one related to
What I also dislike is the fact that they suggest that this is an open
where questions could be asked by customers and now deny to answer
them as they might be considered too critical.
If smarterquestions.org "considers the competetive aspects of IBM
versus Oracle" I think it is legitimate to ask why they didn't
mention Informix when denouncing Oracle's HP/UX Itanium strategy and
is also legitmate to ask why we don't see an official Informix TPC
that would help us to compete with Oracle and it is also legitimate to
how Neteeza and Informix Warehouse Accelerator compete with Oracle
Exadata and it is also legitimate to ask what is IBM's preferred
solution for Smart Metering and it is also legitimate to ask why DB2
advertised in print media and Informix isn't.....
As always we need to kick them in the ass before they do anything for
Informix. I don't know why I don't get rid of the feeling that IBM is
still paying lip services to the loyal Informix community (:-
The point is that this is an official IBM website and
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