RE: Smarter Questions for IBM

My response is official as the whole thing (including or
especially responses) are moderated. After I entered
my answer I got a notice to this effect and only after
the moderator had approved my response showed up.
Nevertheless, as far as I can judge (I didn't keep a
copy of my original response) my original response
was published unchanged, as the moderator also
ensured me, that my response "is good on its own"
(even though it did not contain a comparison against
Oracle).

Cheers, Martin
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informix-list-bounces@xxxxxxxx wrote on 06/02/2011 04:59:42 PM:

Just a clarification...

Was Martin's response an *official* IBM response?
From the site, it looks like he was doing this on his own...

And to the main point.
This site is primarily dedicated to attacking Oracle and comparing IBM's
SWG products against Oracle's offerings.
So yes, there's nothing about Informix.

Now why is that?
Could it be that Informix isn't positioned against Oracle?

I'll let that sink in....

(Wait a few minutes for the kids who ride the short bus catch up..) :-)


...
Yes, they are really that slow and they're waiting for Stuart to catch
up too! :-)
...

Ok, now that we have everyone's attention...
Remember the 'go to market' slide that was presented by Jerry Keese? If
you rotate the circle one way, you had Informix.
You rotate it the other way... you have DB2. While Informix could be
positioned against Oracle, the default is to present DB2 against Oracle.

The reality is that the slide placated the Informix crowd while in
practice, it allowed the IBM sales force to focus on selling DB2.
(And again for the slow people... The Informix product management team
never quite understood what it would take to sell the S&D folks on
Informix.)

While Neil suggests that Eric talk to Stuart is kind of humorous. Stuart
has been sucking on the IBM teat for so long all the while selling
Informix customers 4Js products...

Again the point is that IBM isn't going to listen unless you are one of
the fortunate 50 customers who are large enough that the IBM S&D team
covering you as an account all have brown necks.
Unfortunately those same sales folks now suffer from Hypoxia so they
still don't get it and the message is either distorted or lost.

And since we have the slow folks still here... in short: IBM doesn't
care about you. They don't make money, or much money from the Informix
crowd outside of a few customers who also happen to spend a lot of money
on other IBM products and services.
Shout all you want... it doesn't matter. Even if Jerry Keese and crew
listened and tried their best, they still will fail because they don't get
out of the lab much. And sorry Jerry, dog and pony shows where your tech
guys are trotted out to meet and
greet existing customers doesn't cut it.
Unless you own paper, or work with S&D on a regular basis... you will
never understand. BTW, how did those "All Hands Calls" work for you?

But what do I know?
Oh wait! That was my job. I was in the lab where I tried to align the
goals of IM with the S&D division on a daily basis. I held paper. I made
deals happen...
So I guess I really do know what I'm talking about. Which is why I can
say that even 6 years since my escape from the borg, IBM IM Informix types
still don't get it.

And since I don't want to be seen as being negative... let me yet again
offer IBM a *FREE*, albeit cryptic clue... "When you have a Leatherman or
a Swiss Army Knife, learn how to sell a Leatherman or a Swiss Army knife.
You don't sell it as cutlery or flatware."

Peace Out!
-G

PS. A special note to Jerry Keesee:
Jerry, you really do need to get out more. Chicago is still just a short
hop away from KC.

From: eherber1967@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Smarter Questions for IBM
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 05:39:23 -0700
To: informix-list@xxxxxxxx

On 2 Jun., 12:11, "Neil Truby" <neil.tr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Eric Herber" <eherber1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message


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After some people asked some real smart questions, IBM installed a
new
slogan now in
the area where you could provide questions:

http://smarterquestions.org/ask-a-smarter-question/

"And while we would love to answer all of your IBM-related
questions,
Smarter Questions
only considers the competitive aspects of IBM technology versus
Oracle. "

Good to know that Informix doesn't compete with Oracle from IBM's
point of view.

Are you sure that the appearance of this extra paragraph is related
to a
determination not to answer questions about Informix? Have any
Informix
answers appeared yet?

Neil,

you are right, it is probably not related.

One Informix question about compression has been answered by Martin
Fuerderer
after he observed the existence of smarterquestions.org due to my
posting here.

The point is that this is an official IBM website and once again IBM
demonstrated
that Informix is still treated as "Cinderella". Several DB2 "smarter"
questions
asked and answered by IBM itself and not a single one related to
Informix (:-

What I also dislike is the fact that they suggest that this is an open
platform
where questions could be asked by customers and now deny to answer
them as they might be considered too critical.

If smarterquestions.org "considers the competetive aspects of IBM
technology
versus Oracle" I think it is legitimate to ask why they didn't
mention Informix when denouncing Oracle's HP/UX Itanium strategy and
it
is also legitmate to ask why we don't see an official Informix TPC
benchmark
that would help us to compete with Oracle and it is also legitimate to
ask
how Neteeza and Informix Warehouse Accelerator compete with Oracle
Exadata and it is also legitimate to ask what is IBM's preferred
database
solution for Smart Metering and it is also legitimate to ask why DB2
is
advertised in print media and Informix isn't.....

As always we need to kick them in the ass before they do anything for
Informix. I don't know why I don't get rid of the feeling that IBM is
still paying lip services to the loyal Informix community (:-











The point is that this is an official IBM website and
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