Re: Note to Kate...

On Feb 4, 5:43 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Captain Pedantic wrote:
"Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gu...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:fc847c86-1537-4223-81f8-ae57bf4a8d31@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

(Hint: When you open the door to migrate to a different platform,
you're opening the door to *all* platforms and you're not going to be
in the driver's seat for long.)

Well, that was just some reps trying to move money from one
installbase pillar to another and get compensated for it for no new
net sum gain. They screwed up because they were too thick to realise
that when you open the door to a migration all the other vendors get
to play too and what with the FUD going around, they managed to
stampede some customers who now deeply regret being stampeded like a
pack of lemmings.


Ah now the king of wanking is showing his true colors....

Calling the IBM S&D team 'too thick'? Say it ain't so?

It sounds like a little light bulb is starting to flicker on in that
large empty space between his ears.

You wonder why people here don't take what IBMers say at face value,
yet you yourself blather away admitting that the problem is with IBM.
Who do you think is responsible for the S&D compensation with respect
to Information Management products? Today its Ambuj. but back then it
was Janet Perna. I bet that if I dig through my files, I can find a
copy of the Eagle sales plan(s).

If you bothered to lurk before taking a break between wanks, you'd
understand that any 'FUD' that we're talking about was generated by
IBM itself.

Customers don't regret making their migration from one product to
another.

Again, I'll be generous and while you're busy being the king of
wankers, wanking away, ponder on this little gem.
For over 90% of the applications which require a relational database
to persist their objects, any of the tier 1 databases are more than
capable of completing this task. While there are differences between
the different databases, one can always compensate with hardware.

I wonder if Tellabs is unhappy because they were forced to migrate
their SAP instance from Informix to DB2. I'd ask NJ, but she left the
building for greener pastures. Of course Tellabs also runs Oracle. Oh
and btw, Tellabs was one of the handful of customers who moved from
Informix to DB2. Most moved to Oracle.... (Gee I wonder who talked to
SAP and convinced them *not* to support IDS... can you say JP? [if the
rumors are true])


Absolutely spot on.  I think IBM was slow to realise this.  By getting
the sales team to promote a "migrate to DB2 message" IBM shot itself in
the foot.  Because the customers decided to look at DB2 *and beyond*.
And overwhelmingly they left IBM for Oracle and SQL Server.

As did some posting here and hoping to get more business by continuing
to spread FUD.

Really? The only competitive wonk is Mark. Unlike you he's a wonk, not
a silly wanker. ;-)

No one here is posting FUD, unless you count IBM... :-)


What I and others are questioning is the lack of commitment from IBM
in terms of marketing and sales support.

So what other IBM IM product has a marketing profile that you think
IDS should have? No magical thinking please. Just remember IDS is not
on the Mainframes in any significant way and thats still where a lot
of users are and the money is.

IDS on z/OS? Naw. Sorry. zLinux? Outch. Now that's got to hurt.

Yet again the king of wankers has a brown neck. I'm just wondering if
he's suffering from hypoxia?

Junior, here's a free clue.
IBM does track their MIPS.
Ambuj and Steve Mills know just how many MIPS are licensed for IMS and
DB2 on the big iron.
Care to guess the trend? And no its not going up.

Here in Chicago, I'm seeing two major IBM DB2 z accounts migrate off
the mainframe. Oh and no, its not DB2 on LUW, but both are going to
SQLServer. So yeah. The mainframe is 'king' and where the money is.
For now. But moving forward, much faster than a glacial meltdown,
customers are moving away from DB2 z. And its not to DB2 LUW and since
the S&D sales critters are 'too thick' to mention IDS, I guess its off
to a competitor.

Thank you for playing, Don Pardo, what parting gifts do we have for
our constant?

-G

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