Re: Smoke and mirrors...

DA Morgan wrote:

A blog entry is not an official statement it was just the first thing
on Oracle's public website I knew everyone could read. If you want to
see the details, like a customer, log onto metalink and look at the
support matrix. I know plenty of fully supported, virtualized,
environments running e-Business Suite.


I don't need to login to Metalink when I can talk to our Oracle rep and
the Applications team, and hear what they have said. This was not a
trivial decision, as I indicated earlier in this thread. It actually
was a war, the app team did not want VMs of any kind, instead preferring
to stand up more and more hardware. We had already ripped through close to
500 TB of EMC DMX storage in a month, most of it I personally provisioned
myself, and management said enough is enough, we're not going to stand up
more server hardware if we can put the apps and cm tier on VMs. It had nothing
to do with me either, I had serious reservations about VMware being able to
withstand the apps load when we were polled on what we thought we should do.
But there was an underlying feeling that spending was out of control on this
one and VMs were being seriouslly looked at to offset cost.

BTW management had already taken some rather shady advice on buying HP Integrity
Servers, so they felt like this was going to be something else that may warrant
some cost savings. So we put the VMs on HP blades, all maxed out on memory and
CPUs. Very sweet little blade servers.

We looked at Oracles' VM too, but it was too risky. Just not mature enough to
risk production on--at least not yet.

In the final deployment VMware barely handled the app and cm tier, but this is also
due toa lot of Oracle people doing things on these VMs that we had no control over.

It was actually a lot of fun to watch ESX redline on these apps, rather
comical, yet it underscores something important about Informix: You _can_
_today_ run Informix database servers in a VM, without having to use Oracles'
VM or even VMware for that matter. I would even say IDS probably fairs better in
a VM than even DB2. I'm going to see how IDS works on VirtualBox or Parallels,
it might be a nice alternative to MySQL, even using the Developer Edition as
a production instance since it seems to work so well with so little resources.

My point though is not to say supported virtualization has existed for
a decade, it has not, but rather to point out that your statement was
incorrect which is the case. Lets not quibble about the details.

Yes, thanks teach. You're wrong on this one, but it's ok to be wrong once
in a while.

*<8o)
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