RE: Looking for a job...
- From: "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:47:27 +0200
MySQL is not only ISAM. You can actually choose the type of storage you want
and the state-of-the-art is called innodb, which is now an Oracle product.
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elanleblanc@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Double Echo wrote:about 4GL.
( IBM should be pushing Informix SE with PHP, and forget
PHP _is_ the next generation 4GL. JGP maybe you should try to get
onboard with IBM and get them up to speed with PHP/Informix SE )
Why with SE? Why not IDS? Cost?
IDS is too complicated to compete against MySQL. It's not
even in the same ballpark. MySQL is an ISAM engine, SE is an
ISAM engine. Both require very little to make them work.
IDS competes with Oracle, Sybase, other shared memory
products that require an advanced knowledge base to make them
successful.
SE uses the filesystem to create tables in ISAM format,
requiring no dbspaces or special containers for the data. It
is slightly more sophisticated than BerkeleyDB, another big
owner of embedded databases that work at a more primitive
level than ISAM, typically used for .htaccess password databases.
MySQL is easy to set up, easy to use, compatible with a lot
of implementations, both internal intranets and external
sites like you find with Internet Service Providers who love
MySQL, many who would offer Informix if it were painless to
install, and the license is the same as MySQL. A typical
MySQL ISAM installation takes 30 seconds, including putting
the /etc/init.d/mysql start/stop script in place, and
starting the daemon.
There is NO license cost to set it up, install, and run
MySQL. If you want support you pay for it. See
www.mysql.com for support license costs.
For example, ISP's install MySQL for the ease of use,
relatively maintenance-free environment, 30-second install,
and ISAM-tables that require only a mysqldump backup.
Restores are quick-n-easy too. Very easy to admin. A
typical ISP employs system admins that have to know very
little to maintain MySQL, not to mention third-party tool
providers like PLesk, Hsphere, phpMyAdmin and other web-based
website management tool providers that make the process
painless to administer using MySQL. They _only_ use MySQL
because it's easy to put in place.
You will find more sophisticated sites using not only MySQL,
but PostGres, DB2, Oracle. But the website ball gets rolling
with the TRUE embedded database, MySQL.
MySQL is fast and integrates well with other database engines
simply because it is non-intrusive on a system. When you get
bigger datasets, then you get an appropriate engine. In the
meantime MySQL owns that space. Developers have to have a
no-BS offer to use a database engine. That typically means
ZERO cost out of pocket.
BTW, there are many ISPs who are even offering MS-SQL-Server
for websites with an ISP license for those who just can't do
without ASP. ( MS-SQL-Server/ASP is the stack for Microsoft
developers. )
If you want to understand MySQL, go where MySQL lives, on web
servers. What web servers? Apache:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2006/05/09/may_2006_web_serv
If Apache is the number one web server, what are people doing with it:
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200604/apachemods.html
If a development suite were no charge (the tools and the database),would more
but production/distribution was where the cost kicked in,
people develop on that base?
Yes. If you want support you pay for it. But _YOU_ IBM
must have a MySQL
clone license if you want to go head-to-head with MySQL.
Until you do that developers will question whether or not it
is worth their time. You should include ISP's in your
marketing so they can become familiar with something a
developer would want to use. And you have to announce it
outside the Informix family, it has to show up on slashdot,
freshmeat, sourceforge, etc.
Here's how it works. A developer buys a cheap PC, slaps FREE
Linux on it, then downloads or installs the version of MySQL
that they want. The license is completely out of the way (
free ), so the developer knows they can develop like a raped
ape and make applications they know will work on practically
any Linux box, whether it's on a corporate lan or an
ISP-hosted system. Totally portable environment. Perl is
also big in this space.
Now that I've done your research I'll send you an invoice.
Christine
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