Re: New lossless image compression algorithm
- From: spamtrap@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:22:04 -0800 (PST)
Well, it's a bit of risk for us to retest an algorithm in
developement all
over again. Would be better to have a semi-final version, or at least
a stable fork available.
Well the algorithm should be quite stable, I've tested the actual
Well that too, but I mean stable to changes. Do it like D'exupery
said:
"Perfectionism is reached, when you can't take anymore away", I think
it
was him. The thing is, that the algorithms should comply with the goal
to actually use it's files: "I save them, I use them, with version
0.234a I
don't want to loose my files".
Or you convince me that there is something special with it, that it
re-
presents a set of algorithm not covered at all (well this in relation
to
my db). I don't have all 579 different wavelets tested because of
that.
BTW: You talk in the algorithm description about the special spatial
filtering-step. The color-correlation thingy is normaly called "inter-
band
prediction", and is an old hat. Here are some excellent sources:
"Multispectral Image Coding", Daniel Tretter
"Lossless Compression and Interpolation for High Quality Still Images
and Video Sequences", Stefano Andriani
And this coder uses it since 1995:
"Adaptive Prediction Trees for Image Compression", John Robinson
The creators of CALIC also wrote a paper about extending it with a
inter-plane context, don't see the title of the paper in this moment.
version on many images (surely not on GBytes though !) and it seems to
work correctly; it also embeds an hash code in the compressed file to
check if the original image is rebuilt correctly. I would be very
grateful to any third party who wants to test it also because this
could be another test for its stability, but I surely understand the
risk.
This sounds as if you are talking about Lossless-JPEG. There is
another
proposal LOCO, which is extremely hard to beat. I'm actually not avare
that
Lossless-JPEG is used anywhere, whereas LOCO allready is in cameras
and on Mars btw.
Nope, I really used the LOCO algorithm (downloaded fromhttp://www.hpl.hp.com/loco/).
I too passed some time to understand the problem since I knew of the
high performance of the program, but it seems that the current
implementation, even in the version for 24-bit images, does not apply
a color transform... maybe programs used in cameras and imaging from
mars included it ? Any explaination is welcome.
Wellll, I would group the failings of LOCO into two categories:
histogram-sparseness and pre-filtered images, ah and small images.
LOCO gets the boost beyond 6MPixel. You just don't have to expect LOCO
to be the best allways, but I would say LOCO is very persistant in
being near the best, which makes it attractive in a variety of ways.
This adds up to, that a minimal LOCO requires around 24k total memory,
and the number of ops is I don't know maybe 250 per pixel (just a
rough qiuck guess).
I don't know if the Mars-Rover uses the YCbCr RCT of JPEG-2000, but
it is a possibility as they also use a cousin Wavelet-System for lossy
compression. I doubt they use inter-band correction of prediction
residuals. Context get's big fast, memory-requirement tripples,
algorithm complexity too if you consider coding planes in distinct
resolutions (let's hail to Mr. Bayer, we just love 4:2:2 RGB, it's so
much more high quality than 4:2:2 YCbCr from 1980!).
All the best,
Stefano
To you too [reading your webpage ...]
Niels
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