Re: Radeon is on the "not recommended" list on the SW site

<< The Fire GL line has been out for about a decade...I was using a Fire GL1
about 8-9 years ago >>

Fire GL has only been under ATI for about 4 years. Prior to that it was
Diamond or S3 or SonicBlue or whatever they called themselves through the
name changes from 98-2001. Anyway, ATI bought the development team, the
name, and the research. When Fire came out under ATI it clearly was not the
same product, but designed to follow the same market.

<< I thought you had extensive IT industry knowledge >>

My extensive IT knowledge just showed that you are full of it because you
were not using an ATI Fire GL 8 or 9 years ago because there was no such
thing until about 4 1/2 years ago. Why are you making up thing that you
know are not true and so easy to refute? Especially by me since you know I
have been already posted that I have been using ATI products for about 8
years myself.

I guess you really showed this board who doesn't know their @$$ from a SVGA
port.


"ken" <goaway@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The Fire GL line has been out for about a decade and always has and will
be the workstation class card that ATI sells (I was using a Fire GL1 about
8-9 years ago). The Radeon has and always will be ATI's consumer class
'gaming' card. The Radeons where never used in workstation class
computers. I thought you had extensive IT industry knowledge. Apparently
you are just a high school kid that doesn't know his @$$ from a SVGA port.

Ken
"news.lightship.net" <nojunk_allowed@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Now that the Fire is out the Radeons have been replaced. Look back a few
months before Fire came out and you will see the Radeons were the card in
most of these systems along with the Nvidia. The point is they are still
ATI today. Even though this forum seems to love to bash ATI just because
it may not be the absolute best for this ONE program.

Although I agree with you about Gateway's quality, they are still a big
name out there so they are just a reference but there is no denying that
for small - mid sizes businesses, the exact customer base of SW, Dell is
still the number one seller of computers for that customer base. Some
may feel they are the best machine and some many not. Whatever....

Although Radeon is NOW yesterday's card, the fact is I still have them -
the fact is SW said they would work as they did in 04 and 05 - the fact
is I got them to work with Solid works by using the same method as every
other card that everyone is plugging here. I just set my OpenGL settings
to be the most compatible settings for SW and they work AS I NEED which
is what counts.

<< Why the fascination with such low end stuff? >>

First, the card went for about $200 or something like it (not a cheapo
$50 card), it does OpenGL, DirectX, Direct 3D, ect. It has 256 MB DDR2.
It works great with every other applications we have like Ansys, MathCAD,
AutoCAD, the entire PADS Suite, Photoshop, and the list goes on and on
and if I had purchased a $500 card and it fell off of SW's "certified"
list (like cards continually do) I would be pretty B.S. if I got the same
answer I am getting from you guys now. I think the problem really is
that no one in this forum seems to do anything other than SolidWorks so
they are unable to understand the concept of having your computers
designed for more than a single application. I have a couple of servers
designed specifically for a purpose such as a SQL server and a VPN
Server. They are designed totally differently and specifically for those
purposes because that is all they will be doing.

We have more to do with our workstations in our business that just SW so
it would be foolish to use a specific system design just for SW. If you
go skiing with the kids on weekend and also drive 40 miles to work each
day wouldn't you be making a really bad decision to purchase just a
Hummer if you did not have money to burn or the room for two cars? Why
should I buy two cars either when I can get away with just one Honda CRV
or something? Sure your got tons of room in the Hummer and YOU may need
to use every stick of room in it and choose to take the trail through the
woods instead of the road to get to the mountain, but I don't.

My systems totally met all my needs and how WE use SW. In fact, the
engineers that are using SolidWorks have been using the test setup for
the past few days and commented how well it works now that I have fixed
the issue. I am happy with the way it is now working, the engineers are
happy, but this forum seems to be OFFENDED by my success of using the
application the way I need with a hardware MFG that has been great for ME
over they years.

I post in a lot of other forums to give people help and when someone
finds a solution to something that works I and most other people in the
forums are GLAD to see something work for someone. We are also curious
about the solution so we can keep it in mind to pass the knowledge on to
others. This is probably the only forum where I have continually gotten
advice to "give it up" and just "throw out what you have and get a new
one" even after success. EVEN AFTER SUCCESS!! - Unbelievable.



<zoetrope@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Most of the folks on this group are pretty sensible, and there is
definitely a consensus. You might consider giving a listen.

I have been told in this group that the problem is that I am using ATI
and
should know better, but Dell has ATI on their Precision lines that are
designed as workstation class computers for businesses that have about
200
computers.

This is only true of the Fire GL, which everyone has noted is
acceptable, although not stellar. You don't find Radeons in
Precisions, even the cheap $800 ones. In fact, the lower end
"workstations" have the nVidia Quadro NVS, which is also definitely not
a card you want to use with SolidWorks. NVS is a 2D graphic card.

This is not about brand, this is about stuff that works. Radeon and
SolidWorks is a bad combination, regardless of what you read where.
NVidia quadro NVS is also a bad combination with sw. Wasn't the Fire
GL originally a Diamond product? Anyway, it has been acceptable, from
most accounts.

Gateway's heavyweight workstations have Intel graphics cards in
them and None of those card are on SW's site.

You will not hear anyone recommend that you use integrated video with
SolidWorks. Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2 is what you find on
sub-$500 computers. Nor will you find other people who use the words
"Gateway" and "heavyweight workstation" in the same sentence.

Even HP has ATI on their MCAD
workstation class computers. Some have nVidia as well.

Again, only Fire GL and NVS are available as entry level cards, all
upgrades are Quadros. No Radeons available anywhere on HP
workstations, only on the $500-$800 "business pc".

So Dell and HP
agree with me that ATI is good enough for the majority of MCAD
solutions and
good enough for their workstation class computers.

They are the entry-level options, and only Fire GL, not Radeon. Radeon
is listed in the "Not Recommended" section of the SolidWorks website.

Why the fascination with such low end stuff? Maybe you need to look at
a job where they have some money to spend.


peace.

z







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