Re: Slow mouse reactions on SW 2006

It always amazes me to see how many people can't comprehend what they just
read. You must be one of those old timers on the border of retirement who
can't stand that the young whipper snappers actually know something that you're
to old to learn so you make up wild fantasies about why someone who is
obviously correct must somehow be wrong. I must be in my early twenties and
my only experience must be hooking up my own Xbox without my Grandpa's help.
I can't possibly be an IT Manager at a multi-million dollar company who has
more certifications that you can shake a stick at whose only problem is that
he has an insane idea that a program should not require a new video card
every year because the vendors are to lazy to write a program to accommodate
more that 10% of the video cards in the market.



Are you so eager to defend SW that you called up Karl Rove for lessons on
how to ignore reality or are you so frustrated at being wrong that you just
mis-read everything? I don't know how you get "adjusting" a OpenGL setting
to accommodate an app that is obviously not truly OpenGL compliant is
"turning off" OpenGL. It is called a "tweak".



Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Blah Blah Blah I know you would like to Think that you
could TRY to argue that "SolidWorks is trying to get the best graphics speed
it can and that means getting the best results from the best cards". Blah
Blah Blah. That excuse would fly if SolidWorks was the best program out
there and not who they really are which is a program that is marketed to
small to medium sized companies that don't just throw money at every little
problem. The fact is they are just a program that costs $4000 or so which
means get your act together and write your program to accommodate your
target customers. Customers that don't want to replace their hardware just
because you decide to be lazy and write only for a few cards.



Yes, I can see the button that says "Tested" but if you bothered to see what
the test results were you would see that I can only have about 5 fully
rendered windows if I had the Radeon with 64 MB. I mistyped and said I had
128, but I really have 256 MB on the card so that could buy me at least 10
to 20 fully rendered windows. Seeing how I only use 1 or 2, my needs should
be met. Again, smart decision to stick with the video brand I have been
using without incident for over 7-8 years and not just go chasing SolidWorks
flavor of the day.



Here some things you should probably look up on SolidWorks video card
testing as well. Check out their partner 3dLabs video cards. There you
will see the Wildcat 4110 is certified, but what is this???? Not for XP and
Not for SW 06??? But what about the VX1 and the GVX1? Not for 2006 either
and just SW04 on XP, not SW05. Isn't this exactly what I am complaining
about? Again Einstein, how am I supposed to make a decision on a video card
when even purchasing a partner's hardware doesn't assure "Certification"
next year? So again, your solution of "go get another video card" is just a
bogus attempt to cover up the inadequacies of the program.



All I am saying is that for over 7-8 years ATI has been great for me so don't
get all paranoid an say I am mocking Nvidia when I am not. I have their
chip and my laptop and I don't see anything wrong with them. I think that
your problem is that you really don't put any effort into look for the facts
or even the right information. When you posted a link to diamond's site you
didn't even bother to get that right is http://www.diamondmm.com/ but you,
of course, only post what you think (which is wrong) rather than reality.



Now go tell all the old fogies at the rest home how the youth of today has
no respect for the elderly and I will see if I can get the nurse to bring
you an extra pudding to make up for picking on your precious SolidWorks
buddies.





"matt" <m_lombard@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e542ca0c269b79098979d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Don't read this. It's too long, gets way off topic and has nothing
useful to add to this newsgroup.


I did not turn on "Software OpenGL" in SW.


You don't have to. Turning off the hardware acceleration in the driver
does the same thing. Basically disables the card. You'll notice it's
still slow, probably slower, possibly crashes less.


If SW followed the full OpenGL standard then all cards that are OpenGL
compatible should work with SW. Naturally a few should have bugs but the
problem should not be most are not fully compatible, but only a few are
fully. That is completely backwards thinking.

Backwards depends on which direction you're facing. Still, there's this
thing called reality. Reality says that there are some cards that work
with SW, and there are some that don't. You are going way beyond the
call of duty to defend tooth and nail something that has never, "since
the book of Leviticus" (thanks, SMA), worked with SolidWorks.

I am not the one that wrote on the SW site that the Radeon 9800 Pro works
but limited to 5 fully rendered windows.

You aren't? Well, neither am I. It's not all bad, we've got something
in common! When I go to the SW site and select CERTIFIED (RECOMMENDED),
say "show passing" cards, and pick ATI, I only see Fire GL cards (Fire
GL was formerly a Diamond product). No Radeons. The only place you can
see Radeons is if you select the button that says TESTED (NOT
RECOMMENDED). Radeons are yellow (warning) not green (good). I don't
know what it is about the NOT RECOMMENDED, yellow and the word
"limitations" parts that imply it's a good card for SW. But when you
say "works", I guess I'm seeing that you mean "barely works" or "works
under very limited conditions" kind of like the rest of the computer you
spec'ed, so I guess I have to concede the point and say you are right.
Aaarrrgh, defeat.


If I switch to a solid modeling program that really uses standards like
OpenGL I will snatch those Radeon's up in no time.

Best of luck to you. I have a coupon for Easy 3D from Staples. I'll
mail it to you. $40. It runs great with those Radeons and computers
which are essentially gutted except for a huge hard drive.

Not that Nvidia is bad,
but I have 7-8 year of good luck with ATI.

While I'd love to see why you think nVidia is inferior for writing
drivers that work with SolidWorks flawed interpretation of OpenGL, I
think it's safe to say your run of luck with ATI has ended, you just
aren't admitting it yet. You've got an almost religiously fanatical
devotion to ATI, which is the most interesting thing here. It's not
something you run into every day. I don't keep responding because I
think you're going to change your mind or admit you're wrong, its
actually more entertaining if you keep ranting against reality. I'm
just interested in the reactions of irrational fanatics, and learning
what makes them tick.

You at one point disparaged Diamond, saying, quote, "yuk", which I will
take to be your professional opinion. Diamond used to be a rival to
ATI. (Now if you go to http://www.diamondmultimedia.com/ the first
thing you see is ads for Truck Driver School which may become useful for
you). They had the Viper, ATI had the RagePro. Game cards all. You
also refer to engineers as 3rd person, not first person. So I'd guess
you're a gamer turned "IT genius" (thanks, Bob Z) because of your
passion for gaming. Of course the passion leads to highly polarized
opinions, and being an early 20 something leads to the inflated sense
that you're right without regard for pesky and bothersome things like
facts.

Anyway, really, I'm just baiting you to respond and say something
entertaining, because you seem like the type that might.

Best of luck,

Matt


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