Re: Petition about the xilinx online store ?

"PC" <philippe.chagny**NO-SPAM**@free.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Hi Jacques,

i totaly agree with you.
sorry my english is too poor, i can't write all i think !...

effectively, there is a minimum order on Avnet France too ..
and they don't sell directly with a credit card ...
if i want some parts for my personnal use.. i can't now ! :(
only digikey ...

if anybody know how create & manage a petition ...
let's go !

thank's
philippe

Hi Jacques&Philippe et all,

it may be surprising but the amount of responses/votes would not matter at
all.
A simple plea at c.a.f. to restore silicon devices into Xilinx online shop
would
likely receive 10 to 100 responses. However this number should actually
deserve as more reason for Xilinx for concerne than a 10,000 votes thing.
Because those missing votes are dont care, no interest, switching to
competitor, etc.

Digikey should not be considered as any choice (getting Xilinx silicon) -
Digikey
is great to occasionally check overall thumb guess component pricing and
availability.
It is ok to buy from digikey for small series, but then all components
should be
purchased for the full production span as any components that used to be
available
on Digikey may disappear anytime without notice. I had a project that was
covered
almost 100% from components available at Digikey, at the time it was ready
for
production most of those parts from the BOM where dropped by Digikey.

The matter of instant sample/proto quantity component online ordering is
VERY important, and it is long recognized by almost all vendors. Either
you can order free samples or buy small quantities online. Getting samples
for proto or evualuation fast without hassle is important. If you have to
deal with large distributor to get the sample, then you loose both time
and mental health.

National has for most products with special '24hrs' sample option
(well I guess for N.A. only but still) - they recognize that the speed
(read immediate shipment) of samples can the factor that makes the
difference.

If I can buy 10 pieces online with shipment confirmation being sent
within 24hours I can safely start a design and have pilot series all
finished within 2 weeks from the idea to final product prototypes.

If the part is not in stock by digikey and you need to start talking
to Avnet you might be still be talking to them after two weeks.
And that could be another desing loss for Xilinx. A desing loss for
a project/product that could have large yearly volumes later.

The ability to do initial evaluation-testing, pilot series quickly does
matter.

Antti

PS Xilinx is sure not the only one with issues getting parts and pricing.

While talking to Actel disti, haha the best price estimate for 1 off
PA3E (with ARM) license was 100,000 USD !!!

They refused to give any pricing, all they told me that the arm enabled
option extra price for the silicon is 1$ USD in quantities of 100.000
and that the license price is scaled down for smaller orders.
(This would come to 100,000 USD price for single qty)
Talking to other disti and Actel FAE was better, the arm enabled
(its only a security key inside the Actel silicon) adds 120USD to
the component price for quantities below 10 (and not 100,000).
So smallest PA3E with arm enabled (that it the AES key)
costs 150USD (not 20 as without that AES key).

Actel is pushing heavy on their ARM enabled FPGAs but
OTOH they really do not want any customers with less
than 100k volumes to actually use the ARM enabled silicon.

Sure this Actel case is extreme example of stupidity and Xilinx
is not getting even near to this. But if other are doing bad, doesnt
meant that Xilinx should follow and reduce their flexibility of the
component availability by removing the silicon devices from online
shop.

Xilinx is pushing towards "Make it your ASIC" that is low
cost markets, and for those well you never know when a
project that starts small grows really big. Or if an occasional
hobby user playing with Spartan3 figures out some high
volume consumer product. If that hobby user doesnt get
that spartan (becuase now way to buy it) he will also never
desing any high volume thing that is based on the Xilinx silicon.



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