Re: natural intelligence

On Feb 7, 11:10 pm, c...@xxxxxxxx (Curt Welch) wrote:


You did have some insightful comments above!!


No one has a clue how they play chess.  If they tell you they do, they are
an idiot.  We look at the board, and "ideas" pop into our hand and before
long we move a chess piece.  If we try to recall what happened, we might be
able to roughly describe the sequence of idea that popped into our head,
but we would have no ability to explain why those ideas popped into our
head at that time, and other ideas didn't.


Oh no Curt - you are really off base here. I am an expert chess
player - been playing since I was 6 years old! Won championships in
high school. And I will tell you right now that I memorized hundreds
of game sequences and scenarios and thence strategies depending on
board positions which evolve over time. One thence enters a prediction
mode and runs throough scenarios likely to evolve and considers
offenses and defenses for anticipated movement scnarios And applying
heuristics all along the way - lots of them.

Deep Blue and such contain this sort of vast amount of finely tuned
info about *how* chess is played.

 And the odds of anyone
correctly recalling what they thought of for the past 60 seconds while they
were looking at the board I'm sure is near zero.

That is simply not true.

 Of course we are very
good at rationalizing our behavior, so when someone asks, "why didn't you
consider that move", we would just say, "oh, my gut told me it wasn't
important".

And that is merely a synopsis of a boatload of heuristics that run
through the brain/mind for a given scenario. Most masters and
grandmasters can certainly delineate the various thought sequences
that went through their mind *in detail*!!!!!


I know I could at that time (I am still very good but not as good as
I was in my teens and early 20's)

 When in fact, all we really know is that for some reason, the
idea to look closer at that possibility never entered our head so we just
assume it didn't enter our thoughts for some "good" reasons een though we
don't have a clue what that reason was.

The fact that a string of discrete behaviors emerge from us which we can
call "symbols" at times doesn't mean in the lest that we understand why
they emerge, at the time they did emerge.


The why is problematic until we get a mapping from level of
description to level of description. From QM (or some other ultimate
final theory of everything) through to the psychological/cognitive
levels of existence.

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