Re: Robot ethics advocate argues that machines are "dumb" and do not "think for themselves"

On Dec 22, 4:26 pm, TruthSlave <T...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Dec 20, 11:37 am, TruthSlave <T...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Dec 19, 8:06 pm, Tim Tyler <seemy...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Many still shrug off the machine takeover as a fantasy:

``Prof Sharkey shrugs off doomsday scenarios in books such as Isaac Asimov's
 I, Robot about the threatening interaction between robots and humans, or in
 movies such as the The Terminator in which robots take over the world.

 Such story lines will remain firmly in the realm of fantasy, even as societies
 hurtle towards greater automation, he said.

 'I have no concern whatsoever about robots taking control. They are dumb machines
 with computers and sensors and do not think for themselves despite what science
 fiction tells us,' he said.

 'It is the application of robots by people that concerns me and not the robots
 themselves.'

  Well, that doesn't matter. Since people with technology brains
  and imagination  only invented the robots, fiber optics, lasers,
  Pv cells, and holograms because they were concerned about the
  application of washing machines by idiots.

And yet for all the dumbness of machines, we follow what they produces
like sheep.

We might as well be controlled by our technology, as we adapt our logic
to the technology's limits. There may well be a phenomena of 'emergent
will'. Not willful control in any deliberate sense, but just by virtue
of our dependency or false expectation of the technology.

Case in point, the search engine.

We accept what it produces with little thought to the way it produces its
results. Finite resources means so much will be culled from its records,
so much which might be considered context will be lost, only leaving what
we say has priority. The record isn't necessarily honest or impartial, but
subject to the tastes, manipulation or prioritization of culture.

   Well, not everybody does. Since Search Engines were primarily
   invented to locate idiot Physicists of NP-Completeness Theory.
   Which is mostly why the people with actual engineering brains even
   started building
   RISC++, E-Libraries, E-Books, E-Publishing, On-Line Banking, On-
   Line Publishing,
   AdaptiveA.I,  Bi-Optical Computers, HDTV[], CD+rw, DVD+rw, DVD-
   rom, DVD-ram,
   AdaptivePv Cell Arrays, Post Ford Batteries, USB, XML, and GM
   Robotics.

Theory is one thing, Appllication quite another.

As focal point for so many, the search engine becomes another
tool for managing thoughts and influences. Whilst it may be
mechanistic, it remains a product, produced by man for man.
As such it is subject to all the other less than scientific
functions which applies the technology, for reasons beyond its
appearance. Something about a monopoly of thought.

We assume so much of the technology, a kind of impartiality,
a machine derived fairness, we refuse to see how our inherent
unfairness might manifest itself in our technology.

My point is on the assumptions we make of the technology,
investing it with an idea of truth, or scientific rigor,
expecting a kind of incorruptibility, when much of this
investment is determined by our dependence on the technology.
We daren't see its short falls.

The technology of surveillance is another case where the ability
to do that thing, now forces us to make determinations which
weren't there to be made. The little we know, or the extra we
know is used as a cue for other behavior, which a generation
ago would have been unlikely. We are becoming more and more
slaves to our technology, with some more keenly aware of the
technology and its flaws, than others.

In time our dependency on the this technology will allows us
no other way to think. Its in this sense that i refer the the
machine's control and our procession towards a state of robots.

Well, there's nothing that can't done about. Since the people
in Engineering who actually make REAL functioning robots, have also
been telling the science stooges for YEARS that what people
are making *today* aren't even *ROBOTS*, they're *INTERNET CODE
DROIDS*.

So the people with REAL engineering brains, who used to make
robots,
Have themselves advanced making CD+rw, DVD-rom, DVD-ram HDTV, Bi-
Optical Computes,
Digital-Terrain Mapping E-libraries, E-books, E-publishing, On-
Line Publishing,
Post McDonald's Holograms, Post AT&T Phonics, On-Line Banking, Pv
Cell Arrays,
Drones, AAVs, and AUVs, for the sci-fi idiots in Science,
Philosophy. and the Media.










The technology which allows us to do a thing, means we are almost obliged
to now do that thing, regardless of any good sense. We order our lives
around what the technology allows with no real sense for the routines
we then enter into. Man trying to keep pace with his technology. I wonder
if we aren't becoming slaves to the technology, which as you rightly say,
was created by man.

That said, there's that line in I-Robot, where the detective asked
"can a robot write a symphony, can a robot turn blank canvas into a
beautiful masterpiece?" To which the robot responded, "can you?".
For all our potential, most of us appear dumber than the machines we
serve. We don't invent, or create, or reason. We think by association
and follow as we are led.

The robot - He assimilates knowledge flawlessly, his logic, based
on his knowledge, seems impeccable. He will carry out Machine mistakes,
perfectly and uncritically... ;-)

-http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Tech%2Band%2BScience/Stor...

Machines may not "think for themselves" today - but expecting that situation
to remain unchanged indefinitely is simply short-sighted.
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