Re: Curt's AI epiphany

PeskyBee wrote:
Among many properties of consciousness, being conscious
requires that the organism distinguishes between itself
and the environment that surrounds it. Computers don't have
such capability (so far). Other animals have very limited
abilities. Chimpanzees can recognize themselves on a mirror,
so they must be assumed to have partial consciousness. But
they fail to understand many of other animal's intentions
(such as when one points to a box having a candy behind it).
Interestingly, dogs fail on the mirror test but succeed
in the pointing task. These are all well documented by
ethologists, which can be used as criteria for a scientific
definition of consciousness. Current computers, on the other
hand, fail in all these accounts. They have no perception of
their environment, they don't model what they receive from
any kind of input, they don't know "who they are". It is not
enough to potentially have the "brain machinery" to be conscious
(as any comatose patient will demonstrate). All this talk of
consciousness is just an incredible loss of time: we've got to
make computers behave like a pigeon (but not like the ones in
behaviorist labs!).

*PB*
[...]

You're conflating awareness and self-awareness.


--
Wolf Kirchmeir
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