Re: Challenge to Curt

forbisgaryg@xxxxxxx wrote:
On Mar 24, 4:52=A0pm, Vend <ven...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 22 Mar, 20:23, "Alpha" <OmegaZero2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Show that the APs of a neuron(s) (or any other property of a neuron
or group/net of neurons, or whatever other property of brain you want
to identify with experience) are *identical * with the experience of
red. =
=A0Do
so without bringing in your delusional conditioning/religious beliefs
in=

swirling atoms and such. =A0Use the real scientific method. Posit an
hypothesis and provide experimental data that shows such identity.

I think you have it backwards.

The burden is on you to show that the "experience of red" exists and
it's distinct from a class of neural electrochemical states.
Otherwise, the Occam's razor tells us that "experience of red" either
doesn't exist or is another name for "class of electrochemical states
that occour in the brain when it's visually exposed to red light".

That doesn't work. The "experience of red" is subjective. Each
individual has his or her own experience and only needs to prove
it to himself or herself. For most of us the experience is proof
by example. Someone who doesn't experience red may determine that
others do by asking a set of people to identify "red" objects from
a set of objects and seeing a corelation between the objects
identified.
A detector could then be developed to identify the same objects
but the detector wouldn't give the person use it the experience of
red.

The detector itself would also be having a subjective experience of seeing
red _and_ the person using the detector would be having a subjective
experience of seeing red. The experience of seeing red with the detector
would be a different experience than seeing red with their own eyes, but
both would be a subjective experience of seeing red.

At least this is consistently logical with what you write above and with
how most people use the words "subjective experience" and with all the
known laws of physics.

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