Something more interesting, please!

Alpha wrote:
"Vend" <vend82@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
On 25 Mar, 15:39, "Alpha" <OmegaZero2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 22 Mar, 20:23, "Alpha" <OmegaZero2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Show that the APs of a neuron(s) (or any other property of a neuron or
group/net of neurons, or whatever other property of brain you want to
identify with experience) are *identical * with the experience of red.
Curt is making the claim that it *is* identical* , not me.
If you claim that they aren't, the burden of proof is on you.

Nope; first of all, science proves nothing so there is no *proof* either way being asked for,.

Second, Curt has an hypothesis that neural events and experiential/phenomenological/mental events are *identical*.

Now science proceeds with showing that an hypothesis has some evidence to it, or not. I asked Curt to show his evidence and some reasoning behind it.

I can *easilty* show, and *have shown* (if you can read), that the twop classes of phenomena are *not* identical per Leibniz's Law.

As an example:
1) Neurons (or any other neural property qua neural property like APs etc.) are not red in color; my experience is red in color.
2) My experience is not gooey in character; neurons are gooey in character.

Therefore, the two classes of phenomena, neurons and phenomenal experience are not *identical*; to assume or posit such as Curt fdoes is a category error.

Uh, the idea is that the configurations of neurons *produce* the phenomenal experience - not that they are the same thing.

I've noticed that a lot of comp.ai.philosophy fare is on
about this level :-(

How about some posts on something interesting:

e.g. will the first AI arise out of a proofreading project, a customer service shop, a search assistant, a robot project, a NPC in a
game, out of something to do with pornography, or in some other way?

or: we have a whole WWW of textual training data - how best to use
that to make an AI that does more than proofreading?
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