Re: Challenge to Curt


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On Mar 25, 7:05 pm, Vend <ven...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 25 Mar, 15:39, "Alpha" <OmegaZero2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





"Vend" <ven...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On 22 Mar, 20:23, "Alpha" <OmegaZero2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Show that the APs of a neuron(s) (or any other property of a neuron
or
group/net of neurons, or whatever other property of brain you want to
identify with experience) are *identical * with the experience of
red.
Do
so without bringing in your delusional conditioning/religious beliefs
in
swirling atoms and such. Use the real scientific method. Posit an
hypothesis and provide experimental data that shows such identity.

I think you have it backwards.

Nope;

Curt is making the claim that it *is* identical* , not me.

If you claim that they aren't, the burden of proof is on you.

Claiming that they are not known to be idential isn't the same
as claiming they are not identical. I don't know if Alpha
stepped over this line or not.

Hi Gary,

I recently replied to Vend so see that post please.

I claim that by Leibniz's Law operating on properties of each class of
artifact, that the neuron/properties_thereof and phenomenal
experience/properties_thereof are not identical and therefore neither are
the artifacts.

So I not only claim that they are not known to be identical, I claim that
they are not such, and to claim that they are is to make a category mistake.

Further, I claim that Curt's position that they are needs some evidence and
he has none (oh, one can provide some correlational evidence and perhaps
causal evidence, but such are not the fodder for claims of identity.) I
think Curt's claim is extraordinary and requires extraordinary evidence,
especially considering the philosophical issues extant in this context.





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