Re: A preliminary look at Spoonerisms

JGCASEY wrote:
On Jul 17, 12:46 am, ck <ck_NoS...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Glen M. Sizemore wrote:
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"Glen M. Sizemore" <gmsizemo...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
Instead, his view was that, for example, some
circumstance strengthens some core responses (let's look at tacts for
the
moment) and then the core responses become temporally organized as a
function of contingencies that produce other units that we call grammar
and
syntax (these are autoclitics). The utterance is often emitted as a
complete
occurrence, not assembled after "the early parts" are emitted. Skinner
felt
that Spoonerisms provided evidence that this, in fact, was the case
since
later parts of the response appeared to exert control over earlier
parts.
That seems like an over-analysis.
I'm not sure about Spooner. But for most people, spoonerisms are
used (and coined) because they are fun. When my father used to
mention "Thud and Blunder" movies, it was because he thought that
was a better description than "Blood and Thunder".
I was specifically talking about "non-deliberate" Spoonerisms. You seem
to be talking about those that are produced via rule-following, and these
are not of much interest. Still, the fact that there may be "thuds" and
the characters frequently seem to make the worst of blunders suggest some
of the processes operating that I described, though I never heard of the
term "Blood and Thunder." If you are talking about Spoonerisms that
"occur to people" (i.e., not the product of a deliberate rule-generated
transposition) and are funny, your explanation is not far off from mine -
except for the lack of the "explanation" part.
To follow your point, i would also add the greatest benefit in
observing spoonerism is the clue they provide to the normal
generation of language. You say spoonerisms represent the
Should read ------> You could say

normal mechanisms gone slightly asquew.
No I don't.
To which you would no doubt reply -- no i wouldn't ;-/

GS is limited to radical behaviorist terminology and a radical
behaviorists world view. I don't think AI actually interests
him at all.



Then i look forward to crossing swords with GS.

Behavioral-ism as an scientific idea might be an interesting
exercise in categorization, however when its applied as
blind creed, it takes on other properties which has little
to do with any kind of scientific rational. It becomes a
means to order, with the mantle of 'science' used to justify
that order.

Man treating man as dumb beast, because he can, with the
ethos of this 'science' as his ideology. Its a science
lending itself to a world order around the idea behaviour,
the oldest part of our being exploited ahead of thought.

The very title detaches the 'subject' from the observer, it
forces on the observer a kind of bureaucracy of observation.
Behaviour as explaination for everything leading to a view
where the whole becoming less than the sum of its parts.
Reductionism lending its self to less. Less thought, less
scrutiny, less questions. One doesn't so much question as
attribute. Its statistics leading to facts without any real
understanding. Definitions/acceptances bound to statistics
before any real understanding of why?

Please don't get be started on this 'science'.
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