Re: consciousness


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We have an external universe to deal with. It comprises a multitude of
objects. We search for categories to make sense out of it. We have
matter. Matter is composed of atoms. There are a sizeable number of
kinds of atoms, but not a multitude.

Atoms are conveniences for thought only. I.e., an atom is a process not a
static object. All "matter/energy" is a process in time such that when we
time-slice the process, we can observe "an object" and call it thus and so.
But nver for a moment confuse the static map for the in-process territory.

Conceptually we talk of subatomic particles. They remain conceptual.

Have you visited SLAC (or its confederates in sub-atomic crime) lately?


Material objects are living and nonliving. The nonliving are
satisfactorily explained by atomic interactions.

So are *some* aspecfts of living things. LCAO/LCMO theory etc.


Living objects are found to consist of cells. We find cells to be best
thought of as an agglomeration of molecules. One to ten billion
molecules make a cell, a multitude. We go to molecular biology of the
cell. It is still a multitude. We find a unifying concept in the DNA
molecule. We find the DNA molecule to function as a template for all
the other molecules.

We have a categorization of life.

We know matter and non-matter. Non-matter we give to Religion, matter
to Science.

The brain interests us. The brain is wholly matter.

Yet physics has found no stuff yet (Feynman); so your assertion that it is
wholly matter begs a sufficient explanation for "matter". What about energy!
What about all those eddy currents and em waves and B-fields in brain.
Hmmm!


It belongs to
Science. The soul (mind) is non-matter.

You erroneously conflate mind (which is a set of functions and memories and
so forth) accounted for by brain processes.

It belongs to religion.

Nonsense.

Consciousness belongs to Religion.

Consciousness is part of mind.

Thinking belongs to Religion.

Thinking is part of mind.

Any
talk of a level IV universe belongs to Religion.

Multi-verse speculations belong to cosmology and philosophy.


Is there anything in the Science of the brain that corresponds to
thinking?

Part of the science of brain is cognitive science, which is all about how we
think and store/remember things/scenarios etc.


The brain is organized according to Magendie's Law. Sensory
information flows in, passes through the interneurons, and exits
through the motorneurons as motor acts. This passage occupies a
minimal time. Anything beyond this minimal time is defined as the
brain analogue of thinking.

Any nervous system is divided into sensory neurons, interneurons, and
motor neurons. In mammals, an additional structure, the thalamic
reticular nucleus, is seen. When this nucleus is exercised it halts
any motor program en route. This causes the minimal time to be
extended. This is enough for Science. Any talk of using this extension
as an excuse for Philosophy is Religion.

Anyone who prefers to be a Religionist, and talk of a Level IV
universe, is welcome to it.

Ray






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