Re: Crick's answer to lester's conundrum

On 26 Apr 2006 13:38:10 -0700, "feedbackdroids"
<feedbackdroids@xxxxxxxxx> in comp.ai.philosophy wrote:


Lester Zick wrote:


The obvious implication of Crick's comment is that, if we wait before
everything is completely defined before we start work on something,
then we'll all be ghosts before we ever lift a finger.

Whereas if we just steal the results of others we won't have to wait
quite as long.



Science works because people have journals/books/etc to publish their
work in, and so others can see it, and not have to re-invent the wheel
for themselves.

Especially when the cooperation is involuntary.

Science is a collaboration.



I guess involuntary here must mean wringing someone else's throat until
they tell you their ideas. Actually, most people are thrilled to see
others citing their work.

I don't notice quite so many who are thrilled to cite your work.

BTW, whether you know it of not, the idea of D-o-D has been around for
at least ... 20 years ....

Oh do tell at least twenty years? Try twenty-five years.

pg 238 of Society of Mind, 1986, section 23.1 ....

"... not only are differences important by themselves; more often than
we realize, we think about 'differences between differences' ...

Sure especially since my own copyrighted work on the subject dates
to 1982. I don't doubt it's been plagiarized since. In other words
according to you I should be "thrilled to see others citing my work"
and calling it their work.

this
means that higher-level agents in our Societies-of-More must actually
deal with 'differences between differences'.... The ability to deal
with differences between differences is important because it lies at
the heart of our abilities to solve new problems. This is because these
'second-order differences' are what we use to remind ourselves of other
problems we already know how to solve.

"What we use to remind ourselves of other problems . . ."? A really
strange mechanical concept.

Sometimes this is called
'reasoning by analogy' and is considered to be an exoitc or unusal way
to solve problems. But in my view, it's our most ordinary way of doing
things."

"Reasoning by analogy" is considered an exotic way to solve problems?
You and everyone else I read do nothing else and have done nothing but
since the time of Socrates and Plato. No wonder you philosophize about
AI instead of producing results..

~v~~

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