Re: determinism, freewill, chaos, and circular causality


"Curt Welch" <curt@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"feedbackdroid" <feedbackdroid@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Curt Welch wrote:

Just like noise will drive a logic gate into an unpredictable direction if
it's near the border between two attractors. The point is that
unpredictable behavior is not intelligent behavior. Intelligent behavior
happens when you eliminate unpredictable behavior and replace it with
predictable behavior.

Human behavior should not be looked at as unpredictable. It's simply
complex. There's a big difference. If intelligent behavior was in fact
unpredictable and chaotic, we would all be dead.


It is not that simple. There are designed patterns which are intelligent
and sufficiently complex that the underlying rule which generates the
pattern cannot be identified. The pattern cannot be distinguised from
some sample of truly random data.

For example, Pi is expanded to zillions of digits by a fairly simple
algorithm. Pi also passes randomness tests. The newer definition
of randomness says that randomness cannot be generated by some
rule, so Pi is not considered truly random.

Suppose a sample of a million digits of Pi's expansion is provided
(without you knowing about it) by a much older advanced and
intelligent civilization which has surpassed the limitations of human
technology for computing Pi. Could you compare that string of
a million digits to a truly random string of a million digits and then
distinguish which string originated from an intelligently designed
algorithm which generates the next digit in a completely predictable
manner?

No. There are intelligent patterns which are not distinguishable from
unpredictable patterns. There are also truly random sequences
which might intuitively appear as part of a pattern that are not.
So your observation is only true for a limited domain of all such
possible patterns. This becomes relevant when the question is asked
can a computer intelligence surpass a human intelligence and how
does a human establish the criterial to answer such a question.

Regards,
Stephen



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