Re: How much intelligence?




JC wrote:

The manipulation of abstract objects uses the same
machinery as the manipulation of real objects.

chadmaester wrote:

Can you explain what you mean by this?


Reasoning can be seen as fundamentally the same
process as the design of a complex goal-directed
motor behavior, and in fact is supported by the
same hardware.

For example damage to the pre-motor cortex involved
in synthesizing sequences of actions also effects
the generation of a reasonable plan to solve a
problem even though they comprehend the goal and
can appreciate the logical relations of the relevant
parts of the solution.

A necessary component of symbolic thinking is the
ability to analyze the static relationship between
symbolic objects and it is hypothesized that this
kind of operation uses the same processes that are
required to analyse the relationships between
physical objects.

A lesion in a particular part of the cortex that
effects your ability to do arithmetic also effects
you ability to describe relative spatial positions
of objects.

The parts brain that deal with the everyday "common
sense" relationship between physical objects is
available to be used on a more abstract level when
we are using natural logic to think things out.

Formal logic however requires the additional learning
of new rules.

The above, although a precis and not exact quotes
comes from "The Brains of Men and Machines"
by Ernest W. Kent. cht6 The Logical Functions.




Association first requires finding or identifying
something to associate and then deciding if to
make that association. Both functions I believe
are made by evolved innate modules that vary
between different animals.


That decision does not have to be conscious though
- it can be subconscious. In that case it is not
really a decision.

Well for me a an unconscious decision or a conscious
decision is still a decision. This has always been
a bone of contention for me where people equate
consciousness with "thinking" or being "intelligent".
The function is the same except a conscious decision
can be talked about the the decider.


--
JC

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