Re: intellignece and conciousness, the one implies the other?

On 26 Jan 2006 05:27:57 GMT, curt@xxxxxxxx (Curt Welch) wrote:

>Traveler <traveler@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On 26 Jan 2006 02:52:33 GMT, curt@xxxxxxxx (Curt Welch) wrote:
>>
>> >I believe that the problem of creating an intelligent machine and the
>> >problem of creating a conscious machine are one and the same problem.
>> >So I would argue that everyone working on AI is in fact working on the
>> >problem of consciousness whether they believe it or not. I suspect
>> >there a lot of people working on AI that would even agree with my
>> >position - but I have no data on how many people that might be.
>>
>> I don't see why you think creating a conscious machine is a problem.
>
>I don't see why you think I think it's a problem. :)
>
>Where did I say it was a problem? You are right that I just see it as the
>same problem as creating a machine that acts correctly. Once you get it
>act like a human in all ways, it will then also have human level
>consciousness.
>
>But you are right about me, I think we already have conscious machines
>because the word conscious is just as useless as the word life - it has no
>well defined boundry. But normally when I use the word conscious, I'm
>really thinking and talking about "human level consciousness" because I
>think that's what most people are actually saying when they talk about
>consciousness. And that for me goes hand in hand with full human level
>behavior.

Your philosophy reminds of an Asimov sci-fi story (part of the
Foundation trilogy) about an entire conscious planet (Gaia) in which
everything (even rocks) has some degree of consciousness. It is a sort
of global consciousness, though, because it is all connected. A entire
thinking planet! The beauty of sci-fi is its ability to make the
impossible appear possible.

The logical problem with a philosophy in which the entire universe is
conscious to one degree or another is that there no such thing as an
unconscious physical process. It's like having left without right or
up without down. Heck, even electrons would be conscious just because
they react to EM interactions. Which means that even the dead and
buried are conscious. Somehow, I seriously doubt the validity of this
hypothesis.

Louis Savain

Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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