Re: intellignece and conciousness, the one implies the other?

Traveler <traveler@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 26 Jan 2006 02:52:33 GMT, curt@xxxxxxxx (Curt Welch) wrote:
>
> >I believe that the problem of creating an intelligent machine and the
> >problem of creating a conscious machine are one and the same problem.
> >So I would argue that everyone working on AI is in fact working on the
> >problem of consciousness whether they believe it or not. I suspect
> >there a lot of people working on AI that would even agree with my
> >position - but I have no data on how many people that might be.
>
> I don't see why you think creating a conscious machine is a problem.

I don't see why you think I think it's a problem. :)

Where did I say it was a problem? You are right that I just see it as the
same problem as creating a machine that acts correctly. Once you get it
act like a human in all ways, it will then also have human level
consciousness.

But you are right about me, I think we already have conscious machines
because the word conscious is just as useless as the word life - it has no
well defined boundry. But normally when I use the word conscious, I'm
really thinking and talking about "human level consciousness" because I
think that's what most people are actually saying when they talk about
consciousness. And that for me goes hand in hand with full human level
behavior.

> Since you equate intelligence with consciousness, by your definition,
> a thermostat is already conscious because it has some intelligence,
> however minute. Heck, every computer or mechanism (such as Babbage's
> gear-driven analytical engine or even a mouse trap) is conscious,
> according to your definition.
>
> Louis Savain
>
> Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
> http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm

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