Re: What did that thread indicate?

On 23 Sep 2005 23:52:01 GMT, curt@xxxxxxxx (Curt Welch) wrote:

>Traveler <traveler@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On 22 Sep 2005 16:41:03 -0700, humiguel@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> >However, for creating behaviour there's not a clear-cut mechanism
>> >that matches the power of concepts for the input part.
>>
>> I think that concept formation and behavior formation are related.
>
>I go even further than that.
>
>I think they are the exact same thing. That's why my network only has one
>solution for both problems. Creating the right behavior and creating the
>right concept is the exact same problem. The internal concepts are just
>stepping stones to the end behavior.

I, too, came to the same conclusion, but for different reasons, I'm
sure.

>Likewise, pattern recognition is the same problem.

Yes, a pattern is just a concept. However, I disagree with current
approach to pattern recognition that uses a strictly feed-forward,
pyramid-type hierarchical network. As I've mentioned in the past, the
biological and psychological evidence refutes this approach. Concept
formation is a top-down process, IMO.

> The only reason we
>recognize patterns is to create the right end behavior. It's all the same
>problem which is why I believe the right system will solve all these
>problems at the same time (and why I believe a system as simple as my
>learning network has a hope at doing everything).
>
>I think the failure to see how all these problems are really the same
>problem is what keeps people from finding better general solutions to AI -
>they keep looking for solutions to partial problems instead of realizing
>they need to find one solution that solves them all.

There is more to behavior than this, IMO. Right now I am wrestling
with the problem of action timing. IOW, how does a system string
multiple primitive behaviors (actions) together and correctly
determine their timing? For example, a grasping action must be started
at the right time, otherwise it's ineffective and may even be harmful.
There are other problems such as determining success and failure, of
goal formation, prediction, conflict resolution, etc... The final
solution will be simple and easy to implement, I'm sure, but finding
it is like searching for the proverbial needle in the haystack.

Louis Savain

Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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