Re: Qualia Question

Curt Welch wrote: 
"1Z" <peterdjones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Curt Welch wrote:

"1Z" <peterdjones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Lester Zick wrote:


So why is it a subjective experience exactly? You don't seem to be
able to discriminate behavior very well. You just hypothesize
certain interactions and call them subjective. What's the
difference between subjective and objective behavior exactly in
mechanical terms?


The difference arises in descriptive terms. There is no reason to
insist that everything has to be  explained mechanically.


To solve AI, we MUST explain everything mechanically.  If we can't
explain everything mechanically, then we can't solve AI.


Indeed. But there is no a priori reason to suppose that we solve AI,
and therefore no a priori reasom to inist that everything must be
mechanically explicable.


This is an AI group, so the point of all this debate is to help us
build mechanical machines.


The group is called comp.ai.philosophy. Philosophy has room for
sceptics.
In any case, wanting to do something does not make it a fact that it is
possible.



Right, we don't know if everything about human behavior can be explaned
mechanically.

But there's plenty of reason to insist that everything MUST be explained
mechanically in order to do the thing that many of us are here do -
understand the possibilities of AI.

And currently, there's no proof that everything that creates human behavior
can't be explained mechanically.

Those of us that want to create AI, are therefore going to make the
assumption that allows our goal to be reached.  It's pointless to make any
other assumption - it would just be negative thinking to discourage us from
a goal which might be possible.

So instead, we assume there is a mechanical answer to everything, and look
at what that answer must be if it's there.

To solve AI, we insist on finding the mehchanical answer to all human
behavior, and all human experience, bucause to not find it, is to fail to
reach the goal.


Hey Curt, you're showing signs of Zickness. Let's hear both of you define "mechanical" before the infection gets any worse.

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Joe Legris
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