Re: Consciousness

My point exactly in the other thread. As to the testing of conscienceness,
consider Alan Turings test.

"Ala Qumsieh" <notvalid@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> iAgent wrote:
>> Consciousness has always been a big question bugging my mind especially
>> creation of consciousness.
>
> You're definitely not the only one.
>
>> We may build robots that show that they are conscious.
>> But can we build robots that are really conscious.
>
> It really depends on how you define "consciousness." The definition that I
> mostly lean toward is that conscious entities are aware of the effects of
> their actions on their environment. To that extent, we CAN build robots
> that are conscious.
>
>> How can one go about testing consciousness??
>
> Not very easily :)
>
>> One thing that came to my mind in the morning was this
>>
>> pain is a kind of sensation;
>> extreme tiredness is painful;
>> machines never get tired;
>> they cannot experience pain like humans;
>
> First of all, pain is simply a mechanism that indicates that something is
> wrong, and that some action needs to be taken to fix it.
>
> Now, tiredness in humans is just an indication of a drop in stored energy
> levels. This, in turn, causes a sensation of pain that simply acts to
> drive us toward replenishing this supply of energy by consuming food, in
> order to relieve ourselves of this pain.
>
> This is very easily simulated in machines. In fact, modern laptops can
> detect low battery levels. You can argue that this turns on a 'pain bit'
> that forces the laptop to modify its behaviour accordingly. For example,
> my laptop slightly dims its display, and slows down the hard disk. It will
> completely shut down when the battery is below 2%. Being immobile (heh),
> the laptop depends on its owner for its food, much like a baby depends on
> its parent.
>
> Another example is the Roomba robotic vacuum cleaner, which knows the
> location of its docking station, and docks itself for recharging whenever
> its battery is below a certain (painful) level.
>
>> i think other than all emotions and sensations, pain is the biggest
>> proof of our consciousness.
>
> Really depends on how you define consciousness, but I agree that pain is a
> very important concept that hasn't been explored enough in robotics.
>
>> is getting discharged the only sign of getting tired for a machine??
>> Your views!!
>>
>> Note:
>> Whatever weird thoughts came to my mind, i just scribbled them.
>> there maybe loop holes in the above written text. it seems to me
>> incomplete too but i don't want to write an essay for now.
>
> This topic has been discussed for years, and there is plenty of literature
> out there that will help you fill these holes and perhaps inspire you
> further.
>
> --Ala
>
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