Re: Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell?

I have seen several shops get or try to get off the mainframe. The biggest
reason the upper management gives for trying to get off the mainframe is
no one coming out of college knows anything about the mainframe. When I
was hired as a SYSPROG I had never seen a mainframe the company gave some
test and asked if I wanted to learn the mainframe and I said yes. I was
trained by older SYSPROGs. I am sure that is how most SYSPROGs got trained
by their mentors.
I have never seen a mainframe to whatever platform happen in budget or in
the time frame that was sold to them. I have seen companies chunk millions
at trying to get off of the mainframe when they could train the staff and
exploit the mainframe for all of uses for decades.
The 4 shops I know off personally that did or tried to get off the
mainframe were all drive by upper management lack of understanding of the
mainframe or a sales rep that came in told them they could get off the
mainframe in 6 months and save them millions of dollars. What happened was
what they said the cost would be multiply it by 20 to get close and if
that does not drive the company into bankruptcy the added cost for all the
floor space for all the servers, office space for all the additional staff
to manage the server farms, and lets not forget all the extra cost of the
software for every server and and every engine turned on on the server
will unless they have a endless money pot.

In the end I have never heard of any shop getting off of the mainframe and
saving money. I don't know maybe there is savings after one or two hundred
years.



From:
"Kelman, Tom" <Thomas.Kelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
IBM-MAIN@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date:
01/31/2008 12:16 PM
Subject:
Re: Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell?



Are you interested in just z/OS stories or in stories about mainframe
Linux also? One big story back in 2006 was the one about Nationwide
Insurance moving the processing from 400 servers to 2 IBM z900 Linux
systems. At the time they estimate the savings to by $15 million over 3
years. Here is one article on it or you can Google "nationwide linux"
to get some more.

http://www.linux.com/feature/59984



Tom Kelman
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632
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Subject: Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell?

Hi,

I am full of reports, sent to Management, about completely succesfull
conversions from the "old and expensive" "IBM Mainframe to other
platforms. And, as you may know, the most important argument is that
the
Mainframe is very expensive and the same level of processing, with the
same degree of thrust, can be achieved in other platforms with much
less
money. Of course, i dont beleive this, or at least i dont think things
to be so simple. So, i want to collect some information to support the
Mainframe side.

Are there somewhere on the web, as a counterpart of all the marketing
flood about getting rid of the Mainframe, stories, reports or analysis
of :

- Conversions (or Consolidations) from other platforms into
Mainframes.
- Stories of unsuccessful migrations from Mainframe to other
platforms.
- Serious and independant cost analysis between different solutions.
- Serious and independant studies comparing the security level of the
different platforms.


Thanks in advance for your help,


Juan G. Mautalen



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