Re: Craps Questions
- From: "Gregg Cattanach" <rl3166pls@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:44:13 -0400
While on our cruise last week, my buddy Joe decided to play the
"Don't Pass" on the craps table. I was going to join him, but the
cruise only offers the pukey single odds so I stayed away and got my
brains beat in at the Blackjack table (what else is new?). I have
two questions. One involves etiquette, the other involves odds on the
Tuesday night the ship was offering double odds on the craps table.
Woo-hoo! I still decided to stay away. We were quaffing a Murphy's
Brown Ale at the brew pub when Joe came upstairs livid. There was a
guy at the table who was also betting "Don't Pass", except when it
came time for him to throw the dice, he eagerly took the dice and
fired away. According to Joe, this is a huge faux pas on the craps
table. Of course, what really got Joe upset was that everytime this
guy would shoot, he'd toss two or three sevens in for good measure
(the guy was uncanny). I think that pissed Joe off more than anything.
The other thing the guy did that sort of unnerved Joe was that he
wasn't consistent in backing up his bet with odds. He played 300
dollars at a time on the Don't Pass. When the point was established
he'd put down odds only about half the time. Sometimes only single
odds, other times double then other times he wouldn't. "What's with
this guy?" Joe asks me (like I'd know). The next day, I'm rolling
this stuff around in my head and I'm asking myself "Does it make
sense to lay odds when playing the Don't Pass?" Logic says "of
course" because the odds bet is a true odds bet. But then again the
Don't Pass is a bet that has a big advantage when the point is
established. Doesn't that "dilute" your advantage? Laying odds always
made sense to me on the "Pass", but this sort of confuses me. I sort
of felt that when the ship returned to single odds the next night,
the correct play would be the "Don't Pass".
So my two questions for the craps experts here are:
Do you pass the dice when betting Don't Pass?
Are you supposed to take odds on the Don't Pass?
It's perfectly fine to roll the dice and bet Don't Pass, though you don't
see it too often. Many players that play the dark side pass the dice or
switch to the 'right-side' when they get the dice. But it's not a breach of
You can take or not take odds on Don't Pass, either play is correct. It's a
fallacy to think about 'diluting' your advantage. Your expected loss (or
gain if you get past the comeout) on your original bet always stays the same
in dollar terms. The odds add zero dollars to your expected win/loss. They
just increase the variance, increasing your wins and losses for the session.
Many don't players skip the odds because they don't like putting more on the
table than what they will win.
Also, single odds tables still give you a better return on pass+odds than
placing the number (right-side), because of your wins on the 7&11.
Strange that the ship would change the odds allowed on different nights of
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