Re: VP - tight vs loose - just in your head?
- From: "Mr.David" <whoisapersoniamNOSPAM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:23:30 -0700
"Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" <Davko58@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Cat_in_awe" <rl3166pls@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> jj wrote:
>>> Okay, the "theory/fact" is that each VP machine has a random number
>>> generator chip that determines what cards you get and then the pay
>>> table is used to dole out your winnings, if any. So if you play
>>> consistently, it should be the pay table that determines how in the
>>> long run, which places are hot and which are not. But...
>>>
>>> By tight/loose I mean how some Casinos seem to have machines that seem
>>> to hit big less or more than others. Anybody else have the same
>>> feeling? Also, some places seem to give you a fairly steady stream of
>>> small wins that keeps things fun and lively. Other places just seem
>>> suck your money and are discouraging.
>>>
>>
>> Pure superstitious conjecture. Please re-read your post: 'seem to hit',
>> 'feeling', etc. BY LAW the cards in any Nevada VP machine MUST be dealt
>> randomly every time, and any mechanishm that would make the machine
>> 'loose' or 'tight' is strictly illegal.
>>
>> The sample size of hands you've played at various casinos is so tiny
>> there is no way that you could collect good statistics on the machines to
>> tell if they are really giving a random deal (even if you wrote down what
>> happened, let alone referencing your 'feelings' to determine this).
>> You've just been lucky some places, and unlucky at others. It's that
>> simple.
>
>
> Not quite.
>
> All machines are pre-programed to pay the customer back a certain
> percentage of what goes into the machine. That's why you see some places
> advertising their 100% payback machines. They pay back more than a
> machine at the airport for example, which are generally in the mid 80's in
> percent of payback.
>
> Pay tables are what you want to look for. VP machines vary widely in how
> much they pay for each hand, and some machines are in fact way better to
> play than others.
>
> Its not just luck.
>
> I noticed that any new place has far looser machines when they open than
> they do a year later. They have better pay tables and better payback
> percentages early on to draw customers in. Any slot manager in town will
> confirm this.
>
> EGBH
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>
>
I agree with EGBH, and second the pre-programmed. Strategically placed
machines are programmed to pay back at a higher percentage so that they are
more visible to the lookyloos in the casino, which will hopefully part them
from their money. Think end-of-the-aisle, near the main entrance and by the
buffet lines.
mmmbuffet
MrD
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