Re: What's a scout?

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:29:29 +0100, LFS
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On 11/10/2011 16:35, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:46:34 +0100, LFS
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On 11/10/2011 14:11, Pat Durkin wrote:
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On 11/10/2011 09:15, the Omrud wrote:
On 11/10/2011 08:05, LFS wrote:
On 10/10/2011 22:52, the Omrud wrote:

We attended the funeral of one of Wife's aunts last month. During
the
hymns her DiL, who is attached to some charismatic church, raised
her
hand, palm forward, as they do. It was most inappropriate.

This is new to me. What makes it appropriate in a charismatic
context
and why would it be inappropriate anywhere else?

It's an overt, unrestrained, outward, even emotional signal of
personal
faith, surrender, piety, testimony, which is not part of the
Anglican
tradition. I feel it's not appropriate, but I can't quite explain
why. I
don't think I've ever seen it done in a CoE church before. It's a
bit
like declaring yourself a right winger at a woolly liberal
gathering. It
is something of American Christianity rather than English.

There are lots of online comments on this, which saves me having to
analyse it too much:

http://www.drurywriting.com/keith/RMM.Raising.Hands.Worship.htm
<http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_people_raise_their_hands_in_the_air_at_church>


I should say that I have no right at all to comment on this, but a
lot
of what the CoE does is not about religion - it's about tradition
and
community.


Ah, I see, this is *arm* raising, not just hands.

In our synagogue we are relatively restrained, compared to some
groups who do a lot of swaying while praying. On the Day of
Atonement we beat our breasts while we read the long list of sins
for which we are atoning but we do it very discreetly. And with one
hand because you need the other to hold your prayer book.
Oh, Heavens to Betsy. You beat your breast (some of you) for an
entire list?

Oh yes, and there's pages of them to go through. 44 altogether. This
page - which calls them mistakes rather than sins - lists them with
helpful interpretation:

http://www.aish.com/h/hh/yk/guide/Exploring_the_Al-Chet_Prayer.html

Interesting.

Hardly surprisingly the ideas would be familiar to Christians, even
though most Christians would not be as formally analytic as to have or
use a list like that.

There are some of the Mistakes which are not necessarily as clear-cut as
the explanations would suggest.

For instance:

29...
Did I gawk at an accident scene on the freeway?

That is a tricky one because, to me, ignoring an accident for the
practical purpose of keeping the traffic flowing is one thing. It is
another thing, morally, to ignore the accident scene because you
couldn't care less that someone has been hurt.

ObAUE: That mentions a freeway. Is gawking at an accident permitted on a
toll road?

37...
Do I spend time with friends and colleagues discussing inconsequential
details of sports and entertainment?

That is another two-sided one. Being friendly and interacting with
friends and colleagues can be a good thing in terms of behaving well
towards other people. This can be so even when the mutual activities are
meaningless. This does not apply to all social gatherings, but spending
time with a person who would otherwise be lonely is surely a good thing
even if all that occurs is inconsequential chit-chat. Such a
conversation has a value beyond its content.

As with other systems of morality there would appear to be
interpretations that are rigid, "puritanical", and other less rigid
interpretations.


Many of our religious practices are founded on Talmudic disputation and
interpretation. The interpretations on the Aish site are not necessarily
ones that everyone would agree with.

That does not surprise me in the least.

I think the ambiguity of the
"mistakes" as written (the bold lines which are translated from Hebrew)
is helpful - reading them makes you think about how they pertain to you
as an individual, which may be different from others.

Indeed.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
.

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