Re: Spanish Vs English
- From: "Django Cat" <notareal@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:23:42 GMT
rafaminu wrote:
In a test carried out to find out which language would be easier for a
computer to learn, Spanish came out to be the easiest.
Who cares which language is easiest for a computer to learn? Finding
out which language *people* find easiest to learn is far more
interesting.
But aren't you a drive-by who posted this chauvenistic hogwash a month
or so back? That means I can write what I want, and won't get a
response...
These results
Where were they? Where can we read about them?
shouldn?t be a surprise to anyone. Spanish is a well
structured and fully matured language, with roots deeply attached into
Latin, arguably the best structured language ever.
Computers speak Latin?
The Spanish language has been developed over the past few centuries,
the work of many scholars and educational institutions and has been
enriched with contributions from a wide selection of cultures from all
over the world.
There's a academy which feels the language merits mediation and
intervention?
Although as far as foreign contributions, English is richer, but its
lack of logical structure
Umm...
makes it a language where exceptions are the
rule and rules are exceptions.
Trebor Jung
Who?
once
Where? Does Mr Jung write books or just make mints?
said that:
?English is essentially bad Frisian, old French, Latin, and Greek,
with a grammar that pretends to be like Latin
Well, people in the past have attempted to impose a Latin-based grammar
on English. I don't think the language itself pretends to anything.
but is really like
Chinese
Eh?
or very dumbed-down Germanic (depending on how you look at
it).?
Lets face it, the English language is a moral basketcase...
I pretty much agree with that statement.
Who are you and why should we give a flying f*** what you think?
English as spoken by a native British person sounds kind of harsh to
foreigners and even without understanding what they?re saying, some
aura of preposterousness can still be detected, specially in the way
they finish sentences.
Fuck off.
American English sounds friendlier, at least to me, and although is
not music to the ears either, is more melodic and easier to
understand.
Don?t get me wrong.
Sorry, I'll do my best not to get you wrong, but anyway, we aren't
going to hear back from you until you repost this claptrap in about
three months time.
I love the English language. I like its
directness, its flexibility and its pragmatic attitude when dealing
with new concepts. And as the international language of choice for
about every citizen from every country on Earth, it has none or very
few and far behind competitors.
What I like most is its ability to create new words to deal with new
situations, in a simple but effective way. In that sense of
simplicity, English is far richer, because it?s able to convey a whole
concept into a single word on its own right.
Gee, gosh, lets all get sniffy. Shucks, Spanish is kinda nice too.
Give us a kiss.
It is impossible, for example to translate any of the meanings of the
word ?Spam? into just one Spanish word.
El Spam?
In Spanish every word must be approved first for some kind of
linguistic authority before it can be officially used. And it can take
years before that happens, if ever.
Bloody hell. So you can't actually use a word in Spanish until the
Thought Police tell you it's OK? Does this apply in every Spanish
speaking country? Or, say I hear a great new word in Buenos Aires, do
I have to keep my gob shut until I drive over the border into Uruguay
where I can then use it?
In my uneducated opinion, that attitude is just not practical in
today?s world and slows down the development of languages
Well, now would be a good time to campaign against it in your own
country instead of posting a load of bigoted rubbish about other
people's languages.
However it doesn?t get as ridiculous as in France, where the Wise Men
pretended that people used the expression ?international network of
computers? in French instead of the already implanted ?Internet?.
As an European fascinated with the American Way before actually going
to the States, I have always held this idea of American people as
being a smart bunch of entrepreneurs who had the magic formula to make
lots of money through innovation and multicultural contributions.
But once you get there, you start to understand that maybe that was
some characteristic of past generations, but far from today?s reality.
I don?t really understand the marginalization of the Spanish language
in the States.
What I don't understand is MacDonalds in the UK - where we don't have a
significant Spanish-speaking minority - having those yellow plastic
'wet floor' things with the writing in English and Spanish. What's
that all about?
While the rest of the world is increasingly learning Spanish,
Um...
the
United States of America have chosen to ignore a world language
already implanted in their country and spoken by over 20% of its
population.
I'll leave this one for otherpondians.
Countries like Switzerland have their kids learn 2-3 languages at very
early ages.
Switzerland has four official languages. The US has no official
language.
This policy has created a large pool of people capable to
travel and make business with the rest of the world.
Any other nation would pay a fortune for having such a large share of
its population speaking a second language, which incidentally happens
to be the one language understood by all people South of its border.
You lost me there, I thought we were talking about Switzerland.
Spanish has 325,529,636 first language speakers. That makes it the
second most popular language spoken worldwide, after Mandarin Chinese
with 882,475,389 speakers and ahead of English with 311,992,760.
So, why all this animadversion
This what?
towards anything that smells of
Spanish?
Look chum, as you point out Spanish is a major world language, so what
do you have to be so defensive and paranoid about?
Why are all those idiots
Which idiots are those? Could we have some references and examples,
please?
trying to pledge loyalty to a language and a
culture that his
their
Founding Fathers fought and died against?
Because the US Founding Fathers decided not to speak French. And
because they built their society not on an absolute and total rejection
of the culture many of them came from, but a desire to live
independently of it and determine their own destiny.
It?s a mystery that can not
cannot
be be explained without taking into
account the power of the media serving private interests.
Gor blimey. How much more of this is there?
Map of U.S. Territorial Growth 1790 showing Spanish Territories
Hang on. That's a label on a map in a printed article this is copied
from. I really am wasting my time here...
Spanish is considered to be a second-class language in the States and
that?s due to some recent historical misconceptions.
It is often forgotten that Spain was the country that backed up the
American Revolution, providing military and financial support.
It did so, clearly not so much because of its love for Freedom, but
rather because of its historical vendetta with Britain.
They never forgave us for kicking the shit out of the Armada. Would
you like to discuss small nations wishing to follow their own destiny
without being invaded by powerful empires wishing to bring them under
the control of a central authoritarian power?
But still, the facts are the facts, and what it is today the first
power on Earth, owes its birth largely to Spain. So much so, that
without Spain?s help, it just could have not happened, and the world
today would play in a different scenario, maybe better, maybe worse,
but surely different.
Spain provided financial avail
Eh?
and paid for many expenses generated
during the first years of the new-born United States of America.
Furthermore, more than half of the US. territory belonged to Spain,
and except Puerto Rico, taken by force together with Cuba and the
Philippines at the end of the 19th century, the rest was amiably
transferred or interchanged for some amounts of money (A million
dollars for the whole of Florida?s peninsula is what I call a
bargain).
OK, your beef is with Americans over the status of Spanish in the USA.
Hopefully we'll both be out of here fairly soon...
By the way the sign for dollar ($) originates from the Plus Ultra
drawing depicting two columns and a waving ribbon representing Spain?s
overseas colonies.
Golly.
Up to that moment, relations between the two countries had been most
amiable, but after the campaign orchestrated by Hearst, the press
tycoon who was personal friend of Roosevelt and inspired the battle
against Spanish interests, the idea of Spanish as enemies took hold.
Hearst?s New York City paper, the New York Morning Journal, became
known for sensationalist writing and for its agitation in favor of the
Spanish-American War, and the term yellow journalism (a pejorative
reference to scandal-mongering, sensationalism, jingoism and similar
practices) was derived from the Journal?s color comic strip, ?The
Yellow Kid.?
That twisted perception has dragged over the years up to today, and
it?s about time that the United States comes to realize what its real
roots are and starts to use its Hispanic resources.
Bilingualism makes people smarter and more tolerant to other cultures,
and frankly, those are two traits that the largest part of today?s
american society is in need of.
It?s a win-win situation that only the most ignorant and stupid would
fail to realize in its full potential and take proper advantage of it.
I really wish I hadn't got involved with this. At the end of the day
this is yet another tedious internal US politics thing. And I thought
it was about Spanish vs English as world languages. And the OP won't
be heard of again in AUE until he/she posts this stuff yet again.
Besides Spanish is the language of the future. Ask any computer about
it if you don?t believe me.
Yeah, but pace Turing, computer aren't sentient beings, are they?
DC, wasting a whole lot of time....
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