Re: American and British (English)

Skitt <skitt99@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Catch 23 wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:46:42 -0400, Roland Hutchinson
<my.spamtrap@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Fred Springer wrote:

J. J. Lodder wrote:


Back to the point.
The subject of the inherently unsafe UK system of home supply
(despite their ridiculous clunky plugs with fuses in them)
with ring mains has come up there several times.
Of course my comments on it were that it is backwards,
and should be abolished gradually.
OK, technical discussion on merits results.

I missed the earlier discussion about this -- I guess it first
appeared in one of the cross-posted groups now snipped from the
follow-up line.

I know it's OT for AUE, but I'd be interested to hear more about the
grounds for your opinion, having heard an expatriate British
electrician proclaim the superior safety of British domestic
electricity regulations over those of other countries. I hasten
to add I know very little
about the topic, though I do know how a ring main works, and how to
rewire a plug and all that (not that it's often necessary these
days).

I certainly agree that the British 13A plug is a clunky object
compared (say) with the tiny flat two pin device used in Japan and
the US, for example. Could we safely make do with something a bit
flimsier?

Oh, I don't know. The total-paranoid approach to electricity seems
such a vital part of the British identity and personality: Ring
mains (so there are TWO paths to ground at every outlet), a plug
massive enough to supply electrical service to an entire village, a
fuse in every plug, and a switch on every outlet, and then, in the
unlikely event of an electrical fire starting, houses that aren't
built of wood, so they won't burn down.

The truly paranoid can turn off the appliance, turn off the switch
at the outlet, and remove the plug from the outlet just to be sure.
Some will probably remove the fuse from the plug as well.

Yes, you could make do with less, but it just wouldn't be Britain,
would it?

Not sure this is limited to Britain.

The mother of a childhood friend of mine in the USA went around the
house making sure that none of the extension cords had sharp bends
when she learned how fast the electricity was traveling. She just
could not believe those little electrons would be able to make those
sharp turns.

She also put those childproof plugs in every unused outlet so that the
electricity would leak out onto the floor like water from an open
faucet.

Tricky things, those electrons.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodie,_California :

A first in electrical power

In 1893 the Standard Company built its own hydroelectric plant, located
approximately 12.5 miles (20.1 km) away on Green Creek, above Bridgeport,
California. The plant developed a maximum of 130 horsepower (97 kW) and
6,600 volts alternating current (AC) to power the company's 20-stamp mill.
This pioneering installation is marked as one of the country's first
transmissions of electricity over a long distance.

What's a 20-stamp mill?

Jan
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