Re: Retro virginity

On May 31, 6:54 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 14:38:25 +0100, "John Dean"



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aspasia wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2008 03:48:54 GMT, "The Grammer Genious"
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 02:35:11 GMT, "The Grammer Genious"
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"Irwell" <h...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Seems that some Muslim women in France are having a 'hymen'
retro-fit before getting married.\

Two news flashes for you.
(1) This is not news (it's olds).
(2) Lots of women have been doing it.

Of course the fact that women in certain cultures have to go
through a painful operation in order to prove to their (ignorant,
bigoted) purchasers that they are virgins, is perfectly
understandable -- isn't it?

I suppose it must be, since our Western culture is one of the ones
it occurs

I'd be very surprised to learn of actual instances in Western cultures
where women are free to choose their marriage partners. Perhaps in
"ethnic" or "traditional religious sub-cultures" (dunno what else to
call them) enclaves within Western cultures?

If you search under hymenoplasty, "hymen restoration" or hymenorrhaphy
you'll find tens of thousands of pages, mainly clinics in the west
(naturally, since the search is in English) offering the procedure. That
doesn't mean there are "actual instances in Western cultures" but it
suggests there's a very marked demand which is being met at considerable
expense.
Although there is this:
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?str=1&x=6997
I can remember hearing anecdotes decades ago about women in catholic, latin
societies who, not having access to such surgery, concealed a sharp object -
small knife, razor blade, shard of pottery - in their nightie on their
wedding night and nicked their thumb at a suitable moment in order to smear
a small quantity of blood in the appropriate places while their husband was
resting after his exertions and prior to making his inspections. It is still
the case in some western catholic cultures (not to mention 'traditional'
non-catholic, non-muslim cultures such as Greece) that virginity is required
and must be simulated if not actually present. Not to mention the 'problem'
of women whose hymen has ruptured naturally prior to marriage even though
they are virgins.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/proof_of_virginity/dt22_13-1...

I seem to recall that in some places in some of the countries
you mention that there was a traditional
morning-after-the-wedding-night ritual of hanging a
blood-stained bed *** out of the window to "prove" the
virginity of the bride.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Hence the expression, "gardy hymen," no?
--
Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego
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