Re: Cliché? What cliché?

tony cooper wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:33:28 +0100, HVS <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 14 Apr 2008, tony cooper wrote

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:18:02 GMT, the Omrud
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Barbara Bailey wrote:
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Barbara Bailey wrote:
the Omrud <usenet.omrud@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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I am probably very stupid, but what is the cliché?
http://www.arcamax.com/newspics/5/508/50898.gif
There's a discussion of it here:
<http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/04/08/cliche
/>

We concluded it was "[putting something] where the sun don't
[doesn't] shine."
His head? I don't buy it.
Given Clumsy Carp's position on the bank, with his tuchas up
in the air, unless he's wearing underwear, the sun is, in
fact, shining "where the sun don't shine."
So it seems. My problem was that I considered the cliché to be
the whole phrase, not just the second half. But I agree this
must be the answer.
I don't. I don't think it has anything to do with "where the
sun don't shine". When we use that phrase, we refer to
something stuck up where the sun don't shine: Take your idea of
dividing up the loot and stick it where the sun don't shine". It refers to sticking something up your ass. That's not this
cartoonist's style, and the drawing doesn't bear out that
connection.

I'll stay with "head in the sand" being the cliché and the
observation by the other character that the character is doing
the opposite with "so much for" clinching it.
I don't understand how sticking your head in the water is even remotely "doing the opposite" of sticking it in the sand.

Surely they're the same thing -- hiding from something by blocking one's own vision.

YMV, I guess, but that interpretation doesn't work for me at all.

But the background in the cartoon is sand, is it not? The "opposite"
is implied in the choice between the two things in the panel in which
a head can be stuck into.

The "where the sun don't shine" thing doesn't work for me because
there's no allusion to "stick it". That's the only way I've ever
heard the "where the sun don't shine" used.

I agree and it's what I said at first, but I am now convinced that it's the "sun don't shine" saying which is being referred to.

--
David
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