Re: Great second cousin?



On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:01:01 -0700, Skitt posted:

Oleg Lego wrote:
Skitt posted:

I, obviously, have problems naming vowels, but short is definitely
not what I'd call the "a" in "father". In Latvian, that letter
would get a macron, indicating that it is long in duration.

Ahh. Hmmm... when I say "short vowel", I refer to the sound of the
vowel, not its duration.

Vowel long short
A hate hat
E seed led
I hire sit
O hole cot
U too hut

You are using the linguists' jargon. I use the regular English meaning, and
I apply it to a vowel that sounds the same whether it is short or long in
duration. That's why I keep adding "in

It's not really linguists jargon. It's rather standard English to
refer to a vowel as long or short, and mean what I showed in the table
above. If I wanted to indicate long or short duration, I might use
"drawn out", or "cut short", but every school child is taught the long
and short of vowels as I showed them, before the age of, say, 8 or 9.


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