Re: I demand that he do, does, would do?

Peter Moylan wrote:
Solo Thesailor wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote:
.... where I would have used a subjunctive. ....
.....rare indeed to find an engineering person using such terms
as 'subjunctive'. Do your students write well?

I no longer have students; I was the victim of a budget cut last year,

Language usage....I would've used 'released to freedom' in place of
'the victim of'. No?

wrote on a student's assignment something like "We do make allowances
........and that you really should have taken some remedial
courses in English before enrolling in a university here." It turned out
in that case that the student's native language was English.

Same experience, if that's any comfort.

........ After a while one student got up the courage to put up
his hand and ask what 'contiguous' meant.


Then again, some lecturers.... One guy several students despised kept
saying "t*ts" where there were bumps in waveforms, then put
'abberation' in exam questions. There were hands raised.

........discovered that English majors were even worse at
writing than engineering students.

That is interesting. A linguist once told me linguists looked for
engineers when recruiting because it was recognised engineers had great
analytical ability and many were excellent at language. Similarly, at
another university the largest group in the music club and particularly
the perfoming band was engineers.

....a senior newspaperman who complained
bitterly that they were hiring people with journalism degrees who
couldn't be trusted to string a short sentence together.

This is my bug-bear. (Uh, where did that term pop out from...)
Concepts, beliefs, stereotyping, etc are propagated via the media and
there's great room for misunderstanding, misinterpretation and
follow-the-apparently-majority thinking.

The problem in Australia, and probably in most other countries, lies
largely with the dumbing-down of education. ...........

I thought that about a decade ago grammar was abandoned as a suject or
part of the curriculum in Australia. I have just a recollection, do you
know the fact (re abandoning grammar)?

parts of the USA it's gone as far as the promotion of superstition as a
legitimate school subject, and putting the label "science" on beliefs
that are overtly anti-science.

Pity. It is about language usage again; if they did not use the word
'science' so carelessly (like how people use 'engineer' for every
position and sundry so the meaning is diluted or polluted) there would
be an option to explore this interesting topic further.

......AUE regulars, you might be surprised at how many of them are
from the science/mathematics/engineering side of the tracks. Not all of
us are rude mechanicals, and the one's who aren't are the ones most
likely to drift into AUE.

Already emerging and observed. No, I don't believe engineers are
generally rude mehanicals.

Whether we admit it or not, we're an elitist
group. That's why we're rude to people like P.....

Wondering whether 'elitist' or 'exclusive' or sometimes, not
necessarily in the cases mentioned, lacking of greater diversity and
sometimes aggressive/rude to 'ones who are not just like us' to the
point of serious bigotry?? This is an important point for me and I
would appreciate your comments.

I'll skip your comments on various ways to tell people to bugger off,
since that's really an offshoot of your discussion with Fran.


I believe posts in newsgroups are by and large for group consumption
and often written for the group audience to respond, unlike in chat
rooms where the exchange is more like conversations. Is that not the
case?

Apologies for a long post, to some who'd undoubtedly complain and/or
blame the whole Google Groups -responding to a long and interesting
post I can't see a way to make it short.

Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com

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