Re: German underwear


Salvatore Volatile wrote:
mb wrote:
All I'm objecting to is not your counting Yiddish as a different
language from standard German or Serbian as different from Croatian,
etc, but the use of the phrase "non-German[ophone]".

That seems like an easier issue. "German" and "Yiddish", in common usage,
referred at the relevant time (let's say 1850-present) to languages or
dialects (take your pick) that were regarded as sufficiently different
that one was considered distinct from t'other by third parties.

Sure. The which third parties were moved by different things, no matter
if nationalist pride to ignorance of German or whatever else it may be,
all non-linguistic.

Yiddish
speakers weren't called "German speakers", and verse vicea. I don't
think the common understanding was that "Yiddish is just a dialect of
German",

Putting it to popular vote isn't the most convincing argument.

perhaps because of the distinctness of the larger Yiddishophone
culture from German-American ethnic cultures in the US (we're still
talking about the US). So it's reasonable to describe Yiddish speakers as
"non-Germanophone".

Again, culture is one thing, language a whole nother.

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