Re: "It's a different world now"


Skitt wrote:
> The Other Fran wrote:
>
> > Of late in Australia, much like the US and Britain I imagine,
>
> You don't have to imagine the US and Britain -- they exist.
>

Hmm, perhaps it would have been better had I said:


"Of late, Australia, much like the US and Britain I imagine, has moved
to ..."

I'm interested in why you claim that "imagine" refers here to a
conception of the existence of the US and Britain.


> > Australia is moving to clamp down on the profligate application of
> > frivolous legal principles like habeus corpus
>
> Oy!
>

Sorry, but you'll need to clarify that "Oy!", or is it simply that you
don't like "like" in this place?

> > and the right to avoid
> > punishment without trial. A system of laws involving preventive
> > detention for up to two weeks, along with "control orders" (home
> > detention with ankle bracelets and restrictions on communication with
> > others is in the process of development as I write in order, it is
> > argued, to deal with the threat of "terror".
>
> Like, huh?
>

Yet you like it here.

> > Often when these matters are discussed, one hears the phrase "it's a
> > different world now" or something equivalent. The thrust seems to be
> > that the changed circumstances from other condition of world affairs
> > is what mandates the apparently outlandish restrictions being mooted.
>
> Gosh, I wish I could understand what you're trying to say.
>

So do I. That's why I wrote it.

> > This, it seems to me, is a rather impressive claim, if it's true, and
> > yet I'm yet to hear anyone say precisely what they mean by this, apart
> > from the vague wave of the hand in the direction of suicide bombers
> > and the internet. How precisely, is the world different these days?
>
> Wow. You surely put things differently. What are you talking about? What
> claim? I'm sorry to be so dense. Maybe it's the changing of the clocks
> last night that's having an effect on me.
> --


The others seem to understand, but perhaps I can clarify.

Basic Summary:

* Government changing laws so as to permit detention of persons without
trial and also home detention with restrictions on communication with
others

* this justified on the basis that the world is "different" now or
similar vague claims

OP asks: "what does this claim entail in practice?"

Also, (implied): "Is this claim suficient to warrant the changes?"


Is that, like, fair enough, like?


TOF
> Skitt (in Hayward, California)
> www.geocities.com/opus731/

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