Re: Suggesting Toshiba makes more money on each PS3 than Sony is ludicrous

On Dec 19, 2:58 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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ninphan <sjburk...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 19, 2:05 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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ninphan <sjburk...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 19, 12:37 pm, "Big Johnston" <sobigupuk...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
This is interesting..

"Toshiba partly owns Cell already with IBM and Sony, now that Sony is
hurting
bad they are selling most of it to Toshiba.

This HD war is starting to look like BS and someone is laughing all the
way
to the bank. Toshiba is massively huge, Sony is a like a banana next to
an
800 pound Gorilla named Toshiba comparatively. If Beta Ray wins this so
called fight..Toshiba will make even more money plus get to sell Beta
Ray
players to boot.
I think Sony and Toshiba are playing it up and the outcome..whatever it
is
has been decided long ago"

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201806724

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20071030a1.html

Toshiba are not huge and they have bleeding money on their HD DVD
division, which is what happens when one CE takes on all the others.
Panasonic and Samsung are both leaders in Blu-ray technology and both
of them are bigger than either Sony or Toshiba. Sony could drop Blu-
ray support altogether and it will still beat HD DVD.
There are 17 patent holders in Blu-ray including JVC, Sony, Philips,
Panasonic, Sharp, Sun Microsystems, Warner Bros., Hitachi, LG, Dell
and others.
HD DVD is Toshiba, there are only four companies on the governing
board - Toshiba, Sanyo, Memory-Tech and NEC.
Blu-ray board of directors is all the founding CE's of the DVD Forum
(minus Toshiba) along with Warner Bros., Dell, Apple, Walt Disney
Corporation, TDK, Sun Microsystems and others. Nothing can be done to
the Blu-ray format without the Board of Director's approving it.
In other words, Blu-ray is NOT "Sony" - in fact just like the Compact
Disc, the Laserdisc and the Super Audio CD, the majority of the
technology was developed by Philips.
You should look up all the companies financial statements as they are
in the public domain. I think you'd be quite surprised based on your
"banana" comment at how wrong you are.
The only 800lb. gorilla is Microsoft, not Toshiba.

What utter BS!! If Sony dropped out of Blu-Ray, BD dies. The PS3 is
the single thing that keeps it alive on the hardware side, or do you not
believe about 80% of the BD players are PS3's?

I think that Toshiba has sold more HDDVD players than all BD mfgs other
than Sony, combined.- Hide quoted text -

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Actually it's not BS and only a backwards thinker would suggest it is.
PS3 got BD to where it is now, it no longer needs the PS3 to win the
war. The difference in price between 1080p players is $5 and on the
Blu-ray side it's not a Sony, it's a Samsung.
No I do not believe that 80% of Blu-ray owners out there own the PS3,
because that would mean standalone players aren't owned by people
playing movies. Surveys show about 20% of PS3 users are buying Blu-ray
movies and 20% of 2.4 million is 480,000. There are 300,000 Blu-ray
standalones at least on the market, so I'd estimate that about 60% of
players are PS3's and 40% are standalones. There are 750,000 HD units,
250,000 of which are add-ons. So 33% of HD DVD players are audio-
handicapped HD DVD add-ons for the 360.
You show your ignorance pal, you don't even look at what companies
like Panasonic are doing - giving away a DMP-BD30 with every plasma
sold and they have 38% of the plasma market.
Toshiba sold 90,000 players in a desperation move. 500,000 - 90,000 =
410,000. Looks like there are only about 100,000 more standalone HD
DVD players than there are Blu-ray players. With such a massive price
disparity all year, that's hardly worth bragging about; it's downright
pathetic. But of course this lends credence to the "content is king"
mantra we keep hearing from team Blu and it looks like they're right.
Sharp are starting to do the same thing with their Aquos HDTV's and
recently stated that their goal in 2008 is to be the #1 seller of Blu-
ray players.
Your response reeks of your emotional attachment to HD DVD and your
dying support of Toshiba's crappy, slow, clunky HD DVD players. I got
news for you, Panasonic right now is doing more for Blu-ray than Sony
is. Panasonic encode, author and replicate all of Fox and Disney's Blu-
ray discs, not Sony. Panasonic is supporting Disney's mall tour, not
Sony. The PS3 enabled Blu-ray to keep its head above water but from
here on in it's the CE's that are important.
All PlayStation 3 games are on Blu-ray, so unless SCEA stops making
games for this unit altogether, Sony can't pull out of Blu-ray...but
there are far bigger forces at work behind Blu-ray and yes, were Sony
to say "that's it we're done" and pull out of BD altogether, Blu-ray
would still continue to beat up on HD DVD on a weekly basis.
Fortunately Sony owns a movie studio and has no plans to stop
supporting the superior format, so it's neither here nor there.

Wow, Panasonic has a give-away deal!! What's new? This is the buying
season for this stuff and lots of mfgs are doing things like that.

Yes, Panasonic really is stepping up to the bar. the BD-30 is getting
very good reviews, especially in the ungodly slow load times of BD and
HDDVD. But none of the others have found out how to do that.

BD may end up winning, but let's not hurry it. You got your BD movies
pretty cheap BECAUSE of the format war. Do you honestly think that
would have happened this soon if it wasn't for the phony war?

If you do, is the tooth still under your pillow? :-)

I like both, and since I've gotten a PS3, I'm liking BD better these
days. If I had any of the others, exception the BD-30, I would have
been out of the war a bit ago. The S300 and all others, besides the
BD-30, are just too damn slow to load. And many of them are still
having problems with new discs. Both sides really need to fix this part.- Hide quoted text -

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The Sharp found out how to do it too. It's fluid with menus and the
majority of discs load up in less than 20 seconds.
As for the price of the discs, I know full well why they are cheap. It
took me a hell of a lot longer than 12 months to rack up 108 DVD's!
I don't see "many" of them having troubles with the new discs. One or
two of the Samsung models and the Sony models. The Pioneer loads up
nicely and is smooth, the Panny's all play well and blu-ray.com
recently got to test out the profile 1.1 title "Resident Evil:
Extinction" from Sony on the PlayStation 3 showing how it indeed works
well with the 1.1 discs. They then showed it on the DMP-BD10 and it
played fine there as well, the disc detected the player was a grace
profile player and simply omitted in the menu the option for the PIP.
This whole slow thing is blown out of proportion - you'd swear most
people were noobs that have never bought into a format early before.
HD DVD is built on existing technology, it's embarrassing that they
had so many problems despite this.
Blu-ray is built on new technology and shouldn't have launched until
this year or early 2008, but with Toshiba forcing the BDA's hand with
their rogue format, the profile mess is perfectly understandable.
By the time the average consumer buys into Blu-ray, these problems
will only be remembered by shills like "rdjam", Edward Downer (rdjam's
brother) and Amir Majidimehr, still claiming that HD DVD is the
superior format and despite Universal going neutral in 2008 and Warner
dropping HD DVD altogether within the next year they will still
venture that "big BD studios are going HD DVD exclusive, just you wait
and see" ad naseum
.

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