Re: Survivor Heroes and Villains into
- From: Hunter <buffhunter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:54:20 -0500
In article <7Tz1n.3184$rL7.590@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, dcg_brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
says...
"shawn" <nanoflower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message---
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On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:52:35 -0500, Hunter <buffhunter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
In article <19436-4B3F4A9F-11853@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
doob@xxxxxxxxx says...
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Brian said:
"I can't remember if it was in this thread or another but I asked Elmo
if he thought the anything goes voting criteria would apply if Jaison
had been one of the finalists and the jury voted against him because
he's black. I bet MB would never let us even see that and would order
the jury to state different reasons."
I see your point...but FIRST...the players are screened for their
predjudices before the show. BUT...even if not...they could say that
Jaison was weak, or pushy, or sick, or SOMETHING...if they didn't want
to vote for him.
You seem to forget about Ben's "ghetto" and "Kool-Aid" rantings about
Yasmine, not to mention on BB in seasons past about contestants
ranting about Jews or Muslims or in this past season "Beaners" so
bigotry is no barrier on BB or "Survivor", nor in fact it should be,
I just hope the other contestants see what kind of person is that and
vote him/her out/off "tout suite".
They screen someone to see if they are likely to be violent or so
mentally unstable that they won't be able to take the pressure of the
show. Otherwise I don't think they really care that much. Someone with
a personality like Ben had to have shown up in their pre-screening so
the producers decided he was interesting enough a person that his
racial beliefs didn't warrant taking him off the potential cast list.
After all this is entertainment and if everyone cast was the sort to
get along with anyone and everyone the show wouldn't be as
entertaining to a wide audience.
It's crazy to think that being a racist is going to eliminate you from
possibly being on reality TV. One only need look back to this past summer
and what happened on BB11, as Hunter alluded to. CBS might have tried to
avoid showing it as much as possible but it was still an integral part of
the game as the live feed viewers well know. Same goes for prejudices and
hate speech. The stuff Chima said about Russell was unbelievably bad and she
still got on the show.
Well, I doubt if she was honest about it in the first place
(incidentally did you know at least the first big "fight" between
Chima and Russell was staged by they?). I don't think Braden was
either or Yvette in BB6 said about Arabs. But like I said I wouldn't
bar them from playing just hope they are voted off fast.
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Even the screening for violence and mental stability isn't as good as some
people think it would be. I wouldn't have been surprised if Ben had become
violent if he had lasted longer and we have examples of violence and
mentally unstable behavior from BB.
I don't know about that but he did pull an Evel Dick like stunt for
some reason early in S19 with him chopping wood in the middle of the
night waking everyone up.
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Russell must have been a tough guy to live with or trust...for the vote
to be so one-sided.
Nope.
We certainly didn't see any signs of it. We saw plenty of signs of why
Ben and Yasmin were voted out and yet in all the times they showed
Russell they couldn't show him being a true jerk? The worst we got
from him was his being a bit aggressive in the TCs, but no worse than
many other players, and him being a bit aggressive in trying to find
out who spread the information on his income. Otherwise Russell seemed
to get along with others, and they even showed him making an effort to
spend time with some of the Galu tribe like Laura.
I agree that it makes no sense that if Russell was a true jerk that they
couldn't have shown it. Elmo's logic about them not having enough time
doesn't make sense. If he was a jerk and that is why he lost the game they
would have shown some examples. They had two months to edit the footage into
some episodes. If BB can edit in must see footage that happened on a Monday
night or even Tuesday morning into an episode to air Tuesday evening, then
it's crazy to think MB and his people couldn't do it.
I agree. If Russell was being a jerk all that time they would had
shown it. As I said they showed when he had his meltdown after Monica
started mentioning his income including blowing up at Natalie. Before
that they showed his confrontations with Marisa, Betsy and Liz.
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You MUST at least acknowledge that, no?
OK...even if you WON'T...then they voted against him cuz they all hated
how he fooled them and got them out, right?
Now that is the primary motivation against Russell, especially in
Erik's case and blaming Russell for Galu's down fall. They didn't
want to acknowledge that they had a hand in their own down fall. No
Galu on the jury was there solely due to Russell but members of their
own tribe putting themselves there, beginning with Erik.
They didn't even want to admit it when they were in the Ponderosa.
Watching Erik and Laura talk when she first went to the Ponderosa
showed why Galu was so dysfunctional and it didn't come off any better
as more of the players went to the Ponderosa. Only John appeared to be
able to talk to all of the Galu tribe members without having his or
their heads explode.
Yep. Dysfunctional tribe that remained a dysfunctional jury.
As I said bitter.
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Haven't people done that before?----
Sure in both BB and "Survivor". People don't liked to be fooled. It
is a blow to the ego.
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Weren't people screwed at tribal?
Sure if you mean they were voted out mostly because of his doing
especially when he used the HII a second time and negating the solid
vote against Russell causing it to boomerang and my poor Kelly
getting kicked off. Russell did rub it in their faces (with the
hypocrite Erik giving a enthusiastic two fisted "YES!!"
gesticulations when Russell used it it must be remembered. He wasn't
so anti Russell then was he?) especially the third time when he put
it around his neck saying he wants it as a souvenir and didn't use
it. Sure that must have rubbed the jury the wrong way, but it was
mostly something to hang on, a justification, but not a reason they
failed individually and as a group.
He was so happy that the people that turned on him were getting their
pay back from Russell forcing a Galu member to get voted out.
So...I guess the bottom line is that they REALLY hated Russell...and it---
is in that part of the game that he failed miserably.
In part, yes I agree. But if you go on the offensive in the game, you
are bound to do that. If you just sit back and be sociable then of
course no one will hate you.
And if you just sit back and are sociable you might make it to the end
but only if someone carries you along the way. If you go on the
offensive you actually have a possibility to control your own future.
How true. People need to realize that the main reason why Natalie won is
because Russell took her to the end. Being nice by itself sure didn't get
her there.
Brian
Actually I think it can. It almost worked with Brett and I don't
think he had as strong an alliance with anyone on Galu as Natalie did
with Russell.
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
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