Re: Fort Hood Investigators Focus on Motive



Kris Baker wrote:
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On Nov 7, 12:21 am, "Chocolic" <chatter...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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I don't think he was *nutty*. I think he has a similar ideology as a
suicide bomber.
bella
This is probably the only time I'm gonna agree with td.

I disagree.

If he did it out of ideology, then he did such an ineffective job that
one would still question his sanity.

This was a major in the US Army. He wasn't some impoverished bedouin
sneaking past an Israeli checkpoint.

Screw the rank. Look at his personal life, he was lonely, had few or
no friends, and seemed frustrated and depress. I think the planning was
to either kill himself alone in his apartment, or go out in glory, and
take some people with him. He planned this well enough that he knew he
could kill numerous people in a confine area.

Using an explanation like Islam is to cover his failures. He could
also an explanation like Arab nationalism as well.

Even these explanations are pathetic. He is a medical doctor. Where
ever he was deployed, he treats all. He wasn't psychotic, he made a
cognitive choice. The problem for him was that he was captured alive.
He was planning to use his last bullet on himself.

Regardless of any life accomplishments, he couldn't even pull off "suicide
by 'cop'" correctly, or just put the damn gun in his mouth and go for it.
Cowardly loser. Also, if had such strong beliefs against war, why go into
the military to begin with.

He wasn't anti-war; he was against killing people of his religion
and background. And since he wasn't even a killer, I'm not sure
what his point was. I believe he'd have been suicidal no matter
what religion he was. He couldn't get a wife or a girlfriend. He
didn't attend mosque until two months ago....probably about the
time he got his overseas orders. He was living in a crappy
apartment, driving an economy car....on an officer's pay.

His NONtaxable housing and food allowances (because he
lived off-base) would have been 12-15% of his salary. So he
was basically living for free. Was he banking all the money?
Did he lose a lot in the stock market?

Something else was going on.

He may have felt pressure because of his religion, but not
enough to do what he did. Hell, we're all "outsiders" in
some way, as you've said.

I grew up a Protestant Christian in a community that was
tightly LDS (at that time). A close relative of the Prophet
of the entire church (even having the same last name), lived
around the corner with her backyard touching ours. My
parents got lectures from her all the time. "We are the
true church." "You will not go to the kingdom." "You
are condemning your children to Satan."

When kids in the neighborhood or school class can't invite you
to their birthday party because you're not the same religion, that's
prejudicial. (We invited them.....but some parents wouldn't even
let their children in our home, because we were of the Devil.)

I don't know. Has anyone else here grown up in a major
religion that was considered "wrong"? I have.

So, I have SOME sympathy for someone who is suspect
because of their religion.....and I do believe that he faced
"comments" and distrust. The incident with his car *did*
happen.

We can't pretend people aren't prejudiced. Look at the
comments on Usenet.

BUT...I have NO sympathy for someone who can't solve their
own problem, and who murders other people. Good God,
he wasn't even a decent representative of his own religion
and he's hurt the Muslim community in the US.

More distrust breeds more people like Hasan. He's his
own self-fulfilling prophecy.

Kris

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html

.......a Muslim friend who is also an officer at Fort Hood. Using the
name Richard, the recent convert to Islam described how he frequently
prayed with Hasan at the town mosque after Hasan was deployed to Fort
Hood in July. They last worshipped together at predawn prayers on the
day of the massacre when Hasan "appeared relaxed and not in any way
troubled or nervous".

But Richard had previously argued with Hasan when he said that he felt
the "war on terror" was really a war against Islam, expressed anti-
Jewish sentiments and defended suicide bombings.

"I asked Richard whether he believed that Hasan was motivated by
religious radicalism in his murderous actions," Mr Pasha said.

"Richard, with great sadness, said that he believed this was true. He
also believed that psychological factors from Hasan's job as an army
psychiatrist added to his pathos. The news that he would be deployed
overseas, to a war that he rejected, may have pushed him over the
edge.

"But Richard does not excuse Hasan. As a Muslim, he finds Hasan's
religious perspectives to be fundamentally misguided. And as a
soldier, he finds Hasan's actions cowardly and evil."
.

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