Re: Women's role in sex crimes resurfaces as issue

Poe wrote:
Charlie Wilkes wrote:
Kathy wrote:

Even simpler: women, on their own, do not go prowling around looking for men to take by force, rape and then murder. I consider that a pretty big difference. Most men don't do that either, but some do.

That is an important point. It may be an injustice that Karla Homolka is not in prison, but she probably is not a danger to society, whereas Bernardo most certainly would be if he were ever released.

These couple cases all have certain things in common, one of which is a sex-obsessed male partner who utterly dominates the woman. But the personalities of the women vary widely, from Charlene Gallegos, who was an enthusiastic participant in the crimes she and her husband committed, to Janice Hooker, who acquiesced to her husband's slave obsession with considerable reluctance.

I'll bet we will learn that Mrs. Garrido has more in common with Janice Hooker than with Charlene Gallegos.

Charlie


I don't think men have as much control over their female counterparts as they think. IMO women "give" compliance like a reward, knowing the male can later be blamed for whatever, if necessary.

Another thought - do you think when the teams are two of the same gender, that one of them is "more" responsible? As in Ng/Lake, or Buono/Bianchi? I suppose in cases like that one person might have been the driving force, but they both "did it", and both are tried as responsible parties, not victims of one another. I'll grant you that Wuornos' gf didn't do the right thing, but I don't think she knew sufficient details.

I don't buy the argument that Karla and her ilk aren't a danger to society. I bet Karla in particular would be a great choice for another budding sadist. But mainly my point is, when two adults of reasonable intelligence commit crimes like that willingly, I hold them equally responsible. There's no good excuse for going along like they do, letting people be kidnapped, assaulted, and sometimes killed - often kids or teens - when they alone could prevent it.


There's no good excuse for going along with the crime, but that doesn't make them equal partners. And prosecutors have to deal with the practicalities of a trial. In the Colleen Stan case, the DA needed Janice Hooker's testimony to get a conviction against Cameron. Canadian prosecutors thought they needed Homolka's cooperation because they didn't yet have the videos. They did what they had to do to get these dangerous men convicted and locked up.

Also, it seems possible that in some cases, the involvement of a female accomplice may have the effect of softening the experience for the victim. Colleen Stan, Elizabeth Smart, and now Jaycee Dugard... all survived, all were kidnapped by men with female accomplices.

I'm not trying to excuse the women in these cases. I'm trying to look at these situations from a perspective other than blame and culpability, to understand what really happened. I think the Dugard case is going to turn conventional thinking on its head, because I don't think Jaycee was subordinate to anyone in that mixed-up household. She started out as a victim, but that is not where she ended up. Those pictures of their compound tell the tale: woman in charge.

Charlie

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