Re: OT--Getting it off our chests?

Kris Baker <parallelcooler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote


I'm going to assume your motives are honorable and respond
accordingly.


Yeah, I changed the subject -- because I see an orderly discussion
that's off-topic, yet kinda productive here. Some of the posts
made me think, and I see Charlie believes I'm td's clone (wrong).


We'll see.


Perhaps it would be a good idea if everyone explained their own
rules of life (their politics, if you want to put it that way).
Not to
be argumentative or to be argued with or flamed....but just in a
way that explains how we think.


Define "we." If this is a group-think position, I'll not be
interested.


I'll start:

1 - Abortion:
We either have legal abortions in all cases, or in no cases at
all. If you are "pro-life" then rape, incest or the health of
the mother should not matter. If you allow those exceptions,
then you are "pro-abortion". It's as simple as that.


I am pro-choice. Personally, I believe abortion would never be an
option for me. I don't think I would ever have one. I have a child
who was born with a disability. This disability was known before the
birth, but I chose to not terminate the pregnancy.

I have never regretted that decision.

Did you know that your daughter would have failing kidneys? If you
had known, would you have aborted her?

But, I think late-term/partial-birth abortions are abominable. These
days, any "affliction", deformity, imperfection can be determined
very early in pregnancy. When a child has ben gestated to a birth
stage, it is murder to kill the child.



2 - Our President:
I voted for him, and I support him. I wish he wasn't spending
so much money, but did anyone else really have a plan to get
us out of the economic mess? (No, lowering taxes on the
wealthy isn't a plan.)


I didn't vote for him, because he has no credentials, and he refuses
to provide any. No matter how much anyone tries to lay the economic
mess at Bush's feet, it won't wash. We've had a Democrat Congress
through all the economic meltdown.

The current spending is crippling the economy. The deficit
projections are horrifying. The more money the government takes away
from the private sector the worse the economy will be. Lowering
taxes is an across-the-board stimulus.



2a - Healthcare. I believe healthcare costs have not only
bankrupted families, but brought business to its knees. But
I'm not a single-payer supporter. And Medicare is too cheap
for those receiving benefits. (Check that out.) I am in favor
of keeping our present healthcare insurance system AND
adding the "co-op" system. (If a health insurance company
is like a bank, then a health insurance co-op is like the
credit union.)


What business has healthcare costs brought to its knees? Please - I
want examples/names. We *already have* Government "Health Care."
It's Medicare, Medical, and HRSA (U.S Department of Health and Human
Services, Health Resources and Service Administration).

How much did you pay for your daughter's kidney transplant? You know
the $250,000.


2b - The future of our economy. It'll get better, and as it
does, there will be more income to allow the national debt
(something that's been around as long as I've been alive)
to be paid down. This is far from socialism. Some say
Roosevelt's "New Deal" didn't pull us out of the depression
and that it was really WWII that did. But think. If the New
Deal was a period in which the govt spent too much money,
then WWII increased that spending by xxx multiples. There
were war bonds, bought by everyone. Rationing. But the
government was employing soldiers to fight and manufacturers
to build. Car companies built tanks. Money was flying out
and no one questioned it. That spending for the war, is
what brought us out of the depression.


Pulling out history and trying to equate it to the present is
ludicrous. This president is racing this country into socialism.
Banks and ginormous industries have been nationalized. The
"government" is using strong-arm tactics to get its way and is
usurping basic Constitutional rights.



2c - Socialism? Hah. That's the Bogeyman of 2009. I'm
pretty sure many here receive social security, medicare,
medicaid OR have a child receiving such benefits. If so,
that makes you a socialist. If you accept such payments,
you should not complain about Socialism. Give the money
back, if you're offended by it. Otherwise, you remind me
of my chain-letter sending cousin, who complained about
Medicare being so costly to the country AFTER both of
her knees were replaced courtesy of ..... Medicare.


I totally agree that people who depend on government hand-outs are
Socialists. I've never said anything different. That fact that these
kinds of payments are made at all is the whole point.



3 - Sarah Palin (the lightning rod of this group, evidently).
I believe it's past time that a woman is our President/VP.
But neither Hillary Clinton nor Sarah Palin met my standards
for various reasons -- and neither did the Real Socialist
Green Party women that at least one conservative here
claims to have voted for.


Sarah Palin is a diversion used by the left to deflect attention
from what the left (Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, etc) are really doing. I
do not support the notion that "it's past time that a woman is our
President/VP."

I think that's sexist and infantile; I don't think this country
should *ever* make leadership decisions based on anything but a
record of past representation/leadership. Unfortunately, not enough
people agreed with me in the last election.


3a - David Letterman vs Sarah Palin.
David, your joke(s) about Palin and her family last week
were NOT funny. You should have made a real apology.
Sarah, you should have just said "My family is offended
that our daughters were the target of David Letterman's
jokes. I don't care if you joke about me, but you do NOT
joke about my family." Then shut up. You do not want
to continue a campaign against a comedian, because
you'll lose. You should have listened to Peggy Noonan
on Morning Joe today.


Why should she shut up? I really want to know your answer to that
question. That seems to be the left's answer to everything.

http://www.pjtv.com/video/PJTV_Daily/Klavan_on_the_Culture%3A_Shut_Up
/1612/ or
http://bit.ly/JIe2W


4. Domestic terrorism. These are movements with
followers from which the occasional "lone wolf" can spring.
Don't kid yourself that there's not more waiting in the wings.


Of course there are. It's always been that way. There are just more
fireworks, media outlets, and ways to kill these days.



4a. Why did the abortion murder and Holocaust Museum
shooting each receive more press attention than the Little
Rock case (by the American Muslim convert)? I don't
think it has a thing to do with one being less important, and
only if you're glued to Fox News, do you think that CNN
and other media ignored the Little Rock case. They did
not. One happened in a small town, one happened to
a famous doctor who'd been targeted before, and one
happened in our nation's capital in a building full of
hundreds of people. Press attention does not make one
case more worthy -- and if I had to pick, I'd pick the
Holocaust Museum shooting as THE most newsworthy
of the three.


Well, post 10 "mainstream" media references/links to each and I
might give your assertion credence.



5. a.t-c. Maybe if we can get this all off our chests, we
can get back to true crime? And please, let "look", "guess
who", "Jasper Towing" and "Anonymous" be retroactively
aborted ;)


Oh - quit with the whining about newsgroup flooders. If you're not
willing/able to killfile them on all your computers and think you're
reduced to using google to read the newsgroup when you're traveling,
you are wrong.



Anyway, that's all I have to say about any of that.

Kris


Good - thanks for the info.

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