Re: OT / Financial Papers Show Palins' Assets Top $1 Million


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Financial Papers Show Palins' Assets Top $1 Million
This is so not newsworthy. $1M isn't that much these days when
you add in the value of real estate and businesses. And 401(k)s
can grow quite nicely with tax-deferred status and employer
contributions. Of course, the value of those retirement and
investment accounts won't reflect their current value, which is
way down at the moment.
I took the most conservative estimate I found, many said "over
2.3 million", and it is newsworthy, in *my* opinion, when one is
trying to bill themselves as 'joe six-pack, sitting around the
kitchen table trying to pay their bills.'

I also dispute the fact that taxes weren't paid on the per diem
of $17,000 and pawning ones expensive *hobby* of snow-machine
racing as a *job*.

Again, you'll note by far the majority of posts I've made this
week have been 'on topic'. And I did note this one as 'off
topic'.
This article states $1M. It sounds like a lot was made from the
fishing business before she became Governor. I'm fine with someone
running a successful business.

I am sure Obama and Biden have financial assets squirreled away,
too.

The $17K sounds like a dispute between tax attorneys with
differing interpretation of a tax law. That's not her fault.

Good you marked this OT, since it is.
Notice she also isn't on the list of politicians that got huge
contributions from Freddie Fannie. Obama was way at the top along
with Kerry and Hillary.

Chocolic

Her financials actually seem reasonable, maybe even modest, for a
governor IMO. And she isn't on the top of that contribution
recipient list, like all the others you mentioned. I am so sick of
Palin-bashing. Many public figures and politicians on both sides
bother me for various reasons, but not to the extent that I want to
talk about them all the time, esp off-topic on a ng.
Exactly. The McCain/Palin supporters aren't on here picking apart
Obama/Biden. Why not give the same respect.

Chocolic

ITA. I could bring up lots of things, as recently as the veep debate
and factual mistakes that were made, for instance. I choose not to,
and only mention it now to point out that my silence is not due to
lack information. I wish others would try some self-restraint as well.
Plus there are far cooler things to obsess about, like the best
haunted houses to visit this year!

Oh give me a break. You all yapped and yapped on other OT political
threads all last week. Check out the 'Palin did okay' thread, or the
'No respite for the wealthy'. Exactly how many *crime* posts did you
make in that same time period? I updated on numerous crimes followed.
Get off my ass and quit trying to censor my posts. If you don't want
to see them, put me in the killfile. I've got GOD and numerous others
there myself. If I see threads I don't want to read or participate in,
I ignore them. It's usenet, and it's America.



I never said I don't post OT sometimes. And when I responded to the
thread about her doing well in the debate it was strictly wrt my
suggestion about the source of her prior poor performances. I wouldn't
say we yapped and yapped, though - it was a short-lived thread, to which
I made 3 postings. Yes, I also responded to the thread about the bailout
plan. So what?

I've also posted on-topic to threads re: a large porn ring bust in
Spain, the two frozen children, and maybe some Casey Anthony stuff. It's
been slow from as far as interesting t-c material goes, I must admit.

I am not trying to censor your posts. I am responding to them. In your
case, though, you've been obsessed about Sarah Palin since she was
announced as McC's VP, and it's really annoying. I'll say whatever the
*** I want to about your posts, because as you point out, it's Usenet,
and at least *I* am in America, tho not everyone here is. Likewise, feel
free to kf me. It's easier for my to just ignore you when I want to. I
will admit, since this seem to have come to a head, that I had a lot
more respect for you before all this Palin nonsense began.


Perhaps because Sarah Palin is antipathy to everything the womens
movement has fought for these last 40 plus years. I remember a time
prior to Roe vs Wade. I don't want her in the business of my daughters
reproductive rights nor do I want her views on religion, creationism,
animal rights, to name a few, to garner any legitimacy. I certainly
don't want her input in the next Supreme Court Judges to be appointed.

As for loss of respect, I don't base my voting opinions on one issue,
what is going to happen to *my* money. I have children, grandchildren,
who will hopefully live long enough to grow old themselves. I am
interested in *their* welfare, their health care, their ability to secure
employment and live the american dream. These last eight years have
fucked up lots of their prospects for many years to come.


td






My point about respect is that in all other matters of t-c posted here
you've seemed objective and fair-minded, at least to me, and I held you in
high regard for that. In addition I felt you had s lot to offer in the way
of a victim's perspective of child abuse, again, offered up objectively.

Wrt Palin, you seem to be so rabidly against her you cannot think
straight.


That's funny, because I think all the reasons I posted above are legitimate,
rational points. Womens rights, separation of church and state, the future
of the supreme court for many years to come. The way one views animals,
shooting at helpless creatures, for sport, from the air.

I admit in the beginning my views on her were perhaps a bit of a knee jerk
reaction, so I made it my business to read everything I could on her. I
firmly believe she abused her power of office in regards to her ex-bil.
From all I've read on the matter, so did a cross section of others,
democrates and republicans, across party lines.

And the more I've seen of her, the more firmly my beliefs are that she
*uses* her 'female-ness' to her advantage when ever she can, while claiming
sexism when it works against her. Something women like Hillary Clinton and
Gloria Stienham *never* did. And I personally abhor that about her, as a
woman. The 'take me seriously, on my merits, but when I'm in trouble, I'm
not opposed to doing a bit of flirting, winking, and using the fact that I'm
a woman.' It's one thing to play the games in everyday life and a whole
different matter to *use* it out in the world when you supposedly want to be
considered an EQUAL. Take the 'lipstick on a pitbull' remark. I bet
Hillary cringed in her pantsuit over that one.

As for friendships, lots of my friends have differing views from my own. I
have friends who are extremely religious. Unless they are overtly
attempting to convert me, we co-exist perfectly fine, with some being my
dearest of friends. Topics can get heated at times, but I don't try to make
them atheist and they don't try to baptize me.

I still consider you to be a friend. Friends don't have to agree on
everything. And sometimes my friends will rant and rave at me about
something, if it's something they consider to be important at that time in
their life. Once things quiet down again, we forgive and forget. The
deeper *friendship* is always there beneath the surface. You have been
missed on the group and I would be happy if you were to participate once
again. I've continually attempted to post other stuff, besides politics.
But with the elections upcoming, I don't think one can expect political talk
to not be present, as it is continaully on the news, print, even the ET type
shows. It premeates the airwaves. Me personally, I wish we followed the
British system of limiting campaign time.

td






I used to consider us friends, but it seems like that's
changed since all the negativity directed toward Palin, I believe because
I didn't wish to participate.

IMO Palin was going to win or lose the confidence of everyone based on the
facts and how she conducted herself. But many, many people choose to
spread vicious rumors, many of them personal, the vast majority of which
have been refuted, in order to bring her down, instead of letting her do
that herself. If she sucked as bad as some people would have you think,
she'd crash and burn PDQ. It looked like she was doing that with Gibson
and Couric, so it was noteworthy that she did well at the debate. I think
that is why it was interesting to briefly discuss here OT. Anyway, I've
seen you in the camp that wants to trash her, instead of objectively
assessing her performance.

I'm actually quite bummed that things have taken this turn, I used to
consider us "friends", such as they are here, but I am at the end of my
rope with the Palin-bashing, and it is my impression that several people
have written me off for that. So be it.






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